well i figured that if a mushroom cloud was over the USA then thats a no brainer.

and i remember exactly what happened on september 11th. sophmore year of HS. sitting in english class..all glued to the tv watching the first one and then seeing the second one get hit.

i guess what i was trying to ask was ....seeing that this war on terror is involving alot of major nations i would have figured this was sort of a WW3 but apparently it doesnt meet the classification. anyway, what i was trying to ask was are there any formalities that counties go through to announce something as a world war?


For ex: does the pres. come on tv and say we are in WW3...that sort of thing

Kind Regards,
Digital Grl

[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I'll never forget, the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.. I turned on the radio as I was starting to iron my shirt for work.. I heard Bob on the radio saying "oh_my_God! Another airplane has flown into the wtc.." The sky was brilliant blue.. the world seemed still and the craziest thing in the world I had ever heard of just happened....

It comes straight at you, right out of the blue.

yeah, i was a little kid, but i remember watching it on tv. it was numbing...

hrm i doubt there can be a world war now i spoze there could be a world cold war but because so many people have nukes it really would be what world war II wasa bout the war to end all wars because we all would nuke each other and die simple as that

I read this post yesterday, and it stuck with me. I don't buy the majority of it, but a 'what if' about it struck me......let's just say this guy really does pull out the ark (whacko or not, he's found other 'lost' stuff, so let's just go with it). Lay aside the ark's supposed magical properties...he pulls out the ark. There really is only one place they are going to want to put it, and there's only one thing standing in its way. IF he does pull the ark out, every Jewish person and every Christian on the planet is going to want that ark housed where they feel it belongs...the rebuilt temple. It's not by chance they picked Aug 14th to do it either...it's an important Jewish date...both temples supposedly fell on that date....and Aug 15th is the date set for the Gaza pullout...Sharon is a wily man, and you can bet he chose that date with care also. This ark event will be broadcast live in Israel, and while we may see it as silly, many, many there do not, and they are watching with great eagerness.
Me? I'm betting it's empty, but if it isn't....there will be a major war over this.

How would an all out nuclear war be a benifet to the NWO? What would be left to rule and how could the rulers even survive? Radiation would be everywhere for years and how would you grow anything to eat? what will the rulers/NWO eat to stay alive? how could they even stay alive with all the left over radiation?
How could a nuclear war benifet the NWO at all?

Originally posted by GREGNOW
How would an all out nuclear war be a benifet to the NWO? What would be left to rule and how could the rulers even survive? Radiation would be everywhere for years and how would you grow anything to eat? what will the rulers/NWO eat to stay alive? how could they even stay alive with all the left over radiation?
How could a nuclear war benifet the NWO at all?

Most people here know that I really don't pay too much heed to conspiracy theories like this...however...

If a third world war is initiated by the NWO (assuming such exists and can mastermind such a plan), then it'd be safe to assume that there are enough underground bunker systems to enable a sizeable population to survive for an indefinite amount of time.

Such systems already do exist in various countries, for various reasons; we already know the US and UK have extensive systems in place.

So....it's not unlikely that should events escalate to that point, preparations will have been made far, far in advance.

It's just us mere peons who would be out of luck....

I don't think any sane decent person can even begin to explain the actions of the current criminal bunch pulling the world strings from behind the curtain. They are pure evil. And war is their aim.

If someone goes and lays their hands on that ARK, they're gonna get fried on the spot. At least, that's what I believe. Anyone remember how the Israelites had to transport it? VERY carefully. Any time a priest went into where the ARK was housed, he had to wear a rope around his waist in case they had to pull him out dead.

I pray August passes quietly.

Originally posted by GREGNOW
How would an all out nuclear war be a benifet to the NWO? What would be left to rule and how could the rulers even survive? Radiation would be everywhere for years and how would you grow anything to eat? what will the rulers/NWO eat to stay alive? how could they even stay alive with all the left over radiation?
How could a nuclear war benifet the NWO at all?

The NWO is about the centralization of power and control. By eliminating a substantial portion of the world population means they have less trouble controlling the rest of those who survive another global war. I very much doubt that the people in power ever planned on vacationing in the sands of Arabia anyway. So what does it matter to them if the sands are no longer yellow but have a nice greenish glow to them?

Understand this, the rulers who are in power will not be wearing boots and firing semi-automatic rifles at the enemy. They will be nestled somewhere in some secure remote location waiting for progress reports and updates with enough supplies for them to live the next 100 years there if need be. Do you have such luxury at your disposal incase there is another World War?

What purpose does it have to rule a world if you are living underground or in safe bunkers from radiation for 100 yrs? It does not make sense.
The NWO may want to rule the world, but by doing it with nuclear war makes no sense. They will do it in some other way.

Nuking areas that are of no significant interest or resource for the global elite is of no concern. One billion arabs alive who refuse to live by Western standards is a giant roadblock towards a New World Order. Roadblocks need to be eliminated.

You're right.

It's not a pretty prospect for we the people.

Can you imagine if several of our cities were hit with suitcase nukes, martial law was declared and the government demanded all citizens turn over their firearms?

The masses would be in shock, ravaged by destruction and uncertainty and wouldn't know how to react. What of those who stubbornly resisted turning over their weapons? Pockets of resistance would break out. Especially down South.

It's almost too horrible to contemplate. It's worth recalling, America's most devastating war was actually our own Civil War. Rich whites vs. rich whites.

Some say there are UN Blue Helmets already being held/prepared across the USA, for that very reason. It would be much easier for foreign troops to shoot us down if things went berzerk.

If I get hit for excessive quoting or break any ATS rule I apologize but the following quotes need to be hammered into the heads of all those who doubt that the elite in this country have not been planning the future for us all under their NWO socialist tyranny. The followiing quotes contain all the evidence you need to put together the future and the thinking patterns of the elite.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " --David Rockefeller

"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs." --Henry Kissinger

We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate

All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. - Adolf Hitler

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio

"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson

"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."
-- Adolph Hitler

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
-- President G. W. Bush

"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo. "
-- Harry S Truman (1961)

"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." - Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werne

"The United States is not nearly so concerned that its acts be kept secret from its intended victims as it is that the American people not know of them." –U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " -David Rockefeller

"If the New World Order agenda is not realized by the terrorist attacks on America and if American's don't agree to give up their weapons and relinquish their sovereignty to the New World Order, the next attack will be the use of chemical, biological and/or atomic warfare against the American people. The architects of the New World Order will not hesitate to use as a last resort an atomic or hydrogen bomb in a major American city." -Reference Op Ed page of the New York Times 9/24/01

"Once a government resorts to terror against its own population to get what it wants, it must keep using terror against its own population to get what it wants. A government that terrorizes its own people can never stop. If such a government ever lets the fear subside and rational thought return to the populace, that government is finished." -Michael Rivero

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." -- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting

"We need a common enemy to unite us." - Condoleeza Rice, March 2000

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

and finally

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

If the USA was hit by 40 +- hidden terrorist bombs who would we strike back at? The Saudis? No. The Pakastanis? No. Iraq? No, we are IN Iraq. Afghanistan? No, we are in Afghanistan supposedly winning and supporting Democracy.

So, without proof, who would we hit back? If the President pulls the trigger on Syria and Iran without substantial proof and we vaporize two countries without justifable cause.. then the end of the USA will occur in a matter of minutes. Or, we may see non US Troops take over in a series of land battles on the Homeland.

Think about it. That IS the brillance in such an attack. We will be frozen.. without an enemy we can ID. Our economy will be gone, there will be food and gas riots, martial law will force our few troops left to shoot Americans.. and our leadership will be in bunkers.... no airbases, harbors gone..

Defeat. Let's pray they don't have 40 nukes set up near strategic targets.



[edit on 31-7-2005 by RubyRed]

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio

wasnt that one proven a fake? gosh, if i could only remember what site it was that disproved it... oh well, sharon's a wierdo anyway, he should be put in that nice shiny white place.

The problem with MADD is that terrorists dont see the logic behind it.

They are ready to die for there cause.
and there cause is to remove the great satan.

They dont care if the entire world ends in a nuclear waste.. as logn as the great satan is dead.

Thats the difference between civilisations and the terrorists.
We ' western worlds' like material gain, we like to think of the future our kids..
We enjoy money and prosperity.. we live for what we can own and create and love.

Terrorists live simlpy to destroy the great satan. THey dont care if there families get murderd, there car gets stolen or they lose there job.
If they die having killed a member of the great satan they'll be happy.

MADD only applied to peaceful civilisations.
It has no basis when referring to muslim finatics.
They know this..
which is why unless something drastic is done, this war on terror will NEVER end!

Rebelsaint, i thought exactly the same thing too regarding his mention of Ww3 in the speach.

The speaches the presidents give are thoroughly examined, pulled apart and edited prior to broadcast.

They put those words in there specifically for one reason.

IT was the first time I have ever heard a president speak of World war since the 40's.

Ive been reading some books lately ' 100 events that changed the world ' and ' days that shook mankind '

I honestly believe the next 15days are going to need these boosk to be rewriteen.

With the Ark, ISreal pull out, 60yrs since hiroshima, 10th planet found and the recent london/egypt bombings..
somethings stirring inside me...

Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Rebelsaint, i thought exactly the same thing too regarding his mention of Ww3 in the speach.

The speaches the presidents give are thoroughly examined, pulled apart and edited prior to broadcast.

They put those words in there specifically for one reason.

IT was the first time I have ever heard a president speak of World war since the 40's.

I honestly believe the next 15days are going to need these boosk to be rewriteen.

With the Ark, ISreal pull out, 60yrs since hiroshima, 10th planet found and the recent london/egypt bombings..
somethings stirring inside me...

I remember Bush when asked something to the effect of being a wartime president replied, "I'm a war president. I look at matters of foreign policy with war on my mind". Pity that the populace has thoroughly enjoyed going silently into that sheepish night.

All the rhetoric these days on the "official" mainstream news is that the world is waging global war against violent extremism which is the new official slogan for the defunct "War On Terror".

There is so much doublespeak (to use an Orwellian term) in the media and out of the mouth of this administration that I can hear the SS at my door in less than 10 years time, if we are lucky. Lucky because the rapid move towards WW3 is apparent to those who study politics or history. I do both. I have a BA in political science and plan on law school, a PHD possibily at some point but I feel as if I may not get those opportunities based upon this current trend of problem-reaction-solution.

I watch all the mainstream news (Fox, CNN, Local) and subscribe to the Times, Journal, and Daily News. I check what few trustworthy internet sites I know but I find myself surrounded by the same "crap" because thats what it is. Crap. CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP. There I said it. Crap. And ONE. Crap because I have a career and family to plan for the next 30-40 years of my life that I consider "prime" before Father Time comes knocking.

So I give a peak to "weird" sites like Whatreallyhappened.com, Rense on occasion, and PrisonPlanet.com/Infowars.com to get a summary from everywhere. And I find that these publications atleast REPORT the parts of the event that needs further scrutiny.

So based on my "scientific" observation, to put it simply. We are headed for the Perfect Storm of global events. I am talking about economic, political, social ARMAGEDDON. The people we refer to as the elite are the people who are truly above the law. Politicians and Bankers with unlimited resource and power are the ones who PLAN these global shifts.

Everything happens for a reason. Countries don't coincidentally create conflicts with each other. The economy is about to IMPLODE like the WORLD TRADE CENTER. I capitalized those words because that was the cause of the fall of the twin towers. IMPLOSION but never ever hear that word used on the news since 2 hours after 9/11 and never again.

To conclude, my message is this so let anyone who HATH EARS HEAR.

DEAR AMERICANS/PEOPLE OF THE WORLD,

USE YOUR BRAINS.

God gave you brains right?

Good, you just got one question right. Now start asking other questions.

Heck, start questioning everything around you.

You know what that is America?

No it is not dissent.

No, it is not un-American nor is it politically motivated or socially charged.

It is TRUE PATRIOTISM.

It is what got us out of the DARK AGES. Its called ENLIGHTENMENT.

It led to man discovering fire,

building the wheel and the pyramids!

Oh wait, we still can't give a reasonable explanation for contruction of the pyramids.

Hell, we can't even duplicate the technological marvel.

See what I am getting at?

The whole world should take a step back and breathe the free air before we darken the skies for good.

DO NOT LET SHINY NEW TECHNO TOYS AND ROMAN COLOSSEUM-ESQUE SPORTING EVENTS BLIND YOU TO WHAT YOUR FOREFATHERS FOUGHT, DIED, AND WON FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS AFTER THEM.

BEFORE WE ARE SO READY TO PLUNGE OUR EGGS INTO ONE GIANT GLOBAL BASKET, LET'S BE SURE WE CAN HANDLE THE FIRE BECAUSE AT THIS RATE WE ARE FROGS IN THE MELTING POT OF GLOBALISM.

AND THE CHEFS KEEP TURNING UP THE HEAT.


[edit on 31-7-2005 by RebelSaint]