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Unusual Solar Activity Causing Earthquakes and More.

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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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The sun's surface is really unpredictable, im not claiming anything in this post that something "bad is going to happen" or like E_T thinks i think "the world is going to end". This was just a insight to why i think, and many many others think, a lot of weird stuff has been happening in the United States, and in other parts of the world. And in the process I added other possiblitys, other than the sun. If you add all these possiblitys together they can very well be very likely.

As I follow information about the suns surface, I realize that at any moment in time the sun can have violent bursts. And at any time violent burst that are currently happening on parts of the sun that arnt directly facing us, can instantly stop. But as some facts show, the sun is getting more and more violent in some spots, not all. And at the same time, more and more sunspots are appearing, and others are getting larger.

This isnt something im make up there are many sites that constantly post information about this. Just google it.

Or go to the very first link i posted.. here is a quote on their main page.



SUNSPOTS: Sprawling sunspot 792 has a complicated magnetic field that harbors energy for powerful X-class solar flares. The chance of an Earth-directed explosion is increasing as the sun's rotation turns the active region more and more to face our planet. Solar activity should remain high in the days ahead.


www.spaceweather.com...


something I failed to explain.. is I think something is changing with the sun... I believe it could be effecting the gravitational orbits, or our own gravity in some way. That may be causing our earth to morph, shift in size, or anything. Our earth is very fragile. Some people even believe that the earth is changing because of so much oil drilling. A lot of quakes have been happening in the middle east, which is also the part of this world where the most drilling happens. There are a LOT of possiblitys.


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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but SpaceWeather says that EVERYTIME there is a large sunspot or sunspot grouping.

Your thread and posts have changed tone and stance repeatedly. You opened your thread with an "end of the world" tone, so I think it's fair for E_T to think that you were talking about that. Not to mention that you continually take the science and facts you present in your posts out of context or present them in a way that is to be misleading.

Whether that is intentional or not, it needs to stop. What do I suggest? Perhaps you need to take more time when posting to fully comprehend the information you present.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Not to burst your bubble, but SpaceWeather says that EVERYTIME there is a large sunspot or sunspot grouping.

Your thread and posts have changed tone and stance repeatedly. You opened your thread with an "end of the world" tone, so I think it's fair for E_T to think that you were talking about that. Not to mention that you continually take the science and facts you present in your posts out of context or present them in a way that is to be misleading.

Whether that is intentional or not, it needs to stop. What do I suggest? Perhaps you need to take more time when posting to fully comprehend the information you present.


A "end of the world tone"??? Im sorry but YOU are reading the info I type in the wrong tone. No where on this forum did I ever state anything about the end of the world.

And about the facts im reading, and the websites I am posting:

I have so much information about these topics that if I even started to post ALL the websites, and posted ALL the information that I came accross, from scientists, to military specialists, and from people from NASA, and NASA TV, and Descovery Channel, my post would take me a few days just to complete.

At the end of my main post, I said .. "So what do you all think?"

I wanted to see what you think about the sun causing "earthquakes" and other stuff.

The sun causing , weird storms, power outages, and messing with satellites, and other radio equipment, IS FACT, and WELL DOCUMENTED.

Mainly I beleive the sun is messing with earths magnetic field or the suns magnetic field is changing.

Here is some info about the suns gravity field, but nothing about any change.
www.ultramag.com...
www.space.com...

Space.com says :
"The discovery is a step forward in scientists aim to understand solar flares and coronal mass ejections. Since these huge expulsions of energy can create violent space "storms," some of which can affect Earth by disrupting, among other things, communications and satellite technology, understanding their nature is extremely important. "

Which I think can shift the earths crust in more ways than one. For 1, the earth is filled with many metals, you can run a magnet in a pile of dirt and find alot of iron. So who says that the sun cannot effect the earth in this way? Or shift the crust in one way or another?

And about the "animal deaths". The reason I said that, was because on the Channel 11 news, and other sources last week said there was this lake, I forget where but im sure i can find out in a few mouse clicks, but the lake all of a sudden had millions of dead fish floating on the beachs. The media stated that specialists say that the sun, being so hot, heated the water to a point to where the oxygen in the water disapeared and killed all the fish. I didnt hear anything more than that and havnt looked further into it.. but now im going to. And did you hear about the 480 sheep that died in Turkey? Supposivly for no reason 1500 sheep jumped off a cliff. Only 480 died because the rest had a pretty soft landing. Why did they jump? No one knows. Maybe they were to hot and saw a mirage of water so they dove for it. lol..


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Not to burst your bubble, but SpaceWeather says that EVERYTIME there is a large sunspot or sunspot grouping.


Not to burst your bubble, but I KNOW! Thats why they have the site. You asked me for info about the upcomming sun flares and explosions... so i gave you a website to back my saying, and they state the "active region" of the sun if facing us more and more each day, and will reach us in the upcomming days.. By the way that isnt the only site.

Damn no where in the rules of this website does it say my info has to be 100% correct 100% back up by fact or 100% grammer correct and spell checked.

And.. at the top of my I.E. it says "Above Top Secret Conspiracy Community". Maybe it says "Scientific Community" on yours or something?


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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Deny0rder
Damn no where in the rules of this website does it say my info has to be 100% correct 100% back up by fact or 100% grammer correct and spell checked.


No, but it sure does help with one's credibility when discussing scientific topics to have all that now that you mention it. I'll see about getting that rule added. Good idea!


Now that I got the sarcasm out of my system, why don't you? My only problem with your posts is that you have taken some material out of context and/or exaggerated it. Oh and doing that IS against the Terms and Conditions, see:



Terms And Conditions Of Use

1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.


Myself and others have all pointed out you doing it in this thread, if you don't believe so reread the thread.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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Please point out the knowingly misleading , knowingly false, and knowingly inaccurate info that I posted. I would like to know.

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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Deny0rder
Please point out the knowingly misleading , knowingly false, and knowingly inaccurate info that I posted. I would like to know.


Well since you're too lazy to do it yourself, as I suggested at the end of my last post, I'll do your work for you. I may as well point out some others no one else has yet while I'm at it.

Byrd promptly shot down your "earthquakes caused by alignment of Sun/Earth/Moon" hypothesis. So did E_T a few posts thereafter. Zaphod58 soon after pointed out how LITTLE force the other planets planets inflict on our planet.

Later in the thread E_T also pointed out that you went back on yourself, previously saying that there is a Lunar pattern and then you changed your stance to say that there is no Lunar pattern.



And its not just called Red Shift it is called "Doppler Shift".


Red Shift is the exact same thing as Doppler Shift. Both are accepted terms in astronomy to mean the same thing.



if you graduated kindergarden you would know what colors to add to change it to another. And if you had some common sense you would know what colors to subtract to get another color.


No need to get testy now, is there?



Q: What causes the wind to rotate in low pressure areas?
A: High pressure areas around it.


Low pressures are what cause the air to rotate around them. The stronger the low pressure, the more the rotation. The same goes for high pressures. In the N. Hemisphere lows will rotate counterclockwise, similarly highs will rotate clockwise. The high has nothing to do with causing the low to rotate.

Also, if there is a large low pressure, for example a hurricane, pretty much everything near it will be a high pressure by comparison.



Geostationary :

Of, relating to, or being a satellite that travels above Earth's equator from west to east at an altitude of approximately 35,900 kilometers (22,300 miles) and at a speed matching that of Earth's rotation, thus remaining stationary in relation to Earth.


Yes, way to copy straight from Geostationary - yourDictionary.com!

titian pointed out your exaggeration of Hurricane Isabel's windspeeds.



You asked me for info about the upcomming sun flares and explosions...


No, actually I didn't. I was asking for some credible information backing up what you said here:



And because we are "facing the sun more" that makes us more vualnerable to the sun flares and solar dust...


Now, as I said in my very first post in this thread, "there is a difference between having knowledge and posting a bunch of links and quotes and claiming it as knowledge."



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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OMG im starting to not like this Forum.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid

Byrd promptly shot down your "earthquakes caused by alignment of Sun/Earth/Moon" hypothesis. So did E_T a few posts thereafter. Zaphod58 soon after pointed out how LITTLE force the other planets planets inflict on our planet.
Later in the thread E_T also pointed out that you went back on yourself, previously saying that there is a Lunar pattern and then you changed your stance to say that there is no Lunar pattern.


It is NOT KNOWINGLY FALSE that the Moon, and Sun can cause earthquakes. Many researchers have said it CAN cause them in more than one way.. The website I gave obviously wasnt the best because it has 2 sides of the story. One guys says it does, another says it doesnt happen.
And Zaphod58's information was about TIDAL EFFECTS. That means the moon, mars, sun, and others ARE EFFECTING THE TIDES. May be LITTLE but it is just enough if added together to make a difference. He also proved my point that we had the ability to measure gravitational effects with water, a tool we have had before we existed.

But here is another site.

www.livingcosmos.com...

Read the ENTIRE part that says Solar and Lunar Triggers on Earthquakes and Volcanic Eruptions. The study is so new that there is not enough information avalible for your showing but some sites touch up on the subject.

And I NEVER EVER EVER EVER said there was a lunar "pattern" ever... and if i did please post a qoute.. PLEASE.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Red Shift is the exact same thing as Doppler Shift. Both are accepted terms in astronomy to mean the same thing.


Actually.. Doppler Shift is the offical term made by Christian Andreas Doppler after he founded the Doppler Effect. Red shift and blue shift are names for the actions that happen when you are studying something useing the Doppler Effect.

And they DONT mean the same thing. Redshift means "moving towards the red visual light spectrum", blueshift means "moving towards the blue visual light spectrum". And Doppler Shift comes from Doppler Effect that means "A change in the observed frequency of a wave, as of sound or light, occurring when the source and observer are in motion relative to each other, with the frequency increasing when the source and observer approach each other and decreasing when they move apart. The motion of the source causes a real shift in frequency of the wave, while the motion of the observer produces only an apparent shift in frequency. Also called Doppler shift."

But that is WAY beside the point.

The point is.. what i said about Doppler shift is not KNOWINGLY FALSE. Actually it is KNOWNGLY TRUE.

You stating that it is "the same thing" is KNOWINGLY FALSE. So now you arnt following rules.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid


if you graduated kindergarden you would know what colors to add to change it to another. And if you had some common sense you would know what colors to subtract to get another color.


No need to get testy now, is there?


Um.. what does this have to do with being "knowingly false"?

I was simply stating where most people learn about color shifts.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Low pressures are what cause the air to rotate around them. The stronger the low pressure, the more the rotation. The same goes for high pressures. In the N. Hemisphere lows will rotate counterclockwise, similarly highs will rotate clockwise. The high has nothing to do with causing the low to rotate.
Also, if there is a large low pressure, for example a hurricane, pretty much everything near it will be a high pressure by comparison.


Actually... I was correct. But I didnt explain the rotation because it was irrelivent to my point.



Q: What causes the wind to rotate in low pressure areas?
A: High pressure areas around it.


The only reason there is wind in the first place is because high pressure is causing the air to flow into low pressure areas.

If the question was "What causes the rotation of the wind?" then i would have probably just said "the rotation of the earth".

Here is a qoute from the website www.ace.mmu.ac.uk...

"AIR MOVING FROM HIGH to low pressure does not however, follow a straight-line path. In fact, the air moving from high to low pressure follows a spiralling route due to the rotation of the Earth beneath the moving air, which causes an apparent deflection of the wind to the right in the Northern Hemisphere, and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere."



Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Yes, way to copy straight from Geostationary - yourDictionary.com!


Actually I copyed it from Dictionary.com
dictionary.reference.com...

Once again .... what does this have to do with being "knowingly false"?


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
titian pointed out your exaggeration of Hurricane Isabel's windspeeds.


I didnt exaggerate anything.. if you would have even taken the time to read the website I posted maybe you would understand that..

Here is the site I qouted. www.handpen.com...

Scroll down to the part that says "Cosmic Dust Causes Intense Weather".

titian your source or mine must be slighty inacurate or they use different types of methods for recording the speed, or they recorded the speed at different times of Isabels life. They say 203knots(233.653 MPH) at 4500 feet useing GPS dropsondes. The site i provided says 300mph.. and other sites like this en.wikipedia.org... say only 160 mph.. so no matter what it was CATAGORY 5 .. which is unusual.

Once again.. what does this have to do with being "knowingly false"?


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
No, actually I didn't. I was asking for some credible information backing up what you said here:


And because we are "facing the sun more" that makes us more vualnerable to the sun flares and solar dust...



I thought you were talking about the sun flares, because just a few posted above this question, you stated yourself how the earths axis determines the seasons.

When i said "WE are facing the sun more" i ment that the United States or Northern Hemisphere is facing more towards the sun, because the earths axis is titled towards it. It is Summer in the United States. Now do I need to prove its summer? Or do i need to reexplain something that you were just explaining a few posts ago? Here is a PICTURE since you dont know how to read.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Well since you're too lazy to do it yourself, as I suggested at the end of my last post, I'll do your work for you. I may as well point out some others no one else has yet while I'm at it.


Actually i wasnt "to lazy". Most Marines arn't. I really couldnt find anything "knowingly false, knowningly inaccurate, knowningly misleading", so i simply asked you to point them out.. but you failed to do so...

Now that I fully understand that you have no clue what you are talking about.. and now that I understand you didnt even read the websites I posted. I fully understand that you have no position to say that what im saying is FALSE in any way.

Here is a saying im sure you herd.

"It is better to appear ignorant and remain silent than to speak and remove all doubt."


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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 05:36 PM
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Meeeoowwwww Ladies, why does this have to get predantic?

Interesting thread, will start to look at mars now i no it is getting closer.

this website www.earthfiles.com... is really good for info on solour flares and weather changes. You have to visit regularly for updates

Just noticed there is mention of planet on on the website
www.gps.caltech.edu... Save you time read this!

I no there has been alot of scare moungering about planet X, this doesn't seem so scary but i wounder if the magnetic pull from this planet getting closer to pluto neptune affect our wheather? I don't no, i am no expert but it may be poss it has a small part to play

Any thoughts?


[edit on 05012005 by Earth Angel]



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Earth Angel
Just noticed there is mention of planet on on the website
www.gps.caltech.edu... Save you time read this!
I no there has been alot of scare moungering about planet X, this doesn't seem so scary but i wounder if the magnetic pull from this planet getting closer to pluto neptune affect our wheather?


Well in scripture, planet X is said to cause alot of earthy disasters when it passes by. And they say planet x passes between mars and jupitor every 3600 years. Because we think earth is about 4.7 billion years old, that would mean planet X passed by 1305555 times. How many disaters did it bring? I dont think anyone is old enough to know.. or has info that old enough to know. I really dont think it is close enough to cause any of our bad weather with anything that human kind knows about. But maybe it has some sort of effect on the sun, and that is effecting our weather.. but i dont know.

I know we used to have 9 planets and this new planet is now our 10th, and 10 in roman numerals is X. But its to early to say this is planet X. We will have to wait a few years to find out by watching its path.

Actaully.. i find it funny that the website you posted has a path of the 10th planet... and they say its orbit is 560 years. But.. they found the planet last year. So how could they know this path, and its time it takes to orbit, and where it orbits?

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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Deny0rder
OMG im starting to not like this Forum.


Sorry, I'll unchain you from the internet.




www.livingcosmos.com...

Read the ENTIRE part that says Solar and Lunar Triggers on Earthquakes and Volcanic Eruptions. The study is so new that there is not enough information avalible for your showing but some sites touch up on the subject.


Ah yes, nothing like a random seemingly scientific website, where at the end of every section there is an advertisement to buy thier books. I'm sorry, but that website is full of crap. I especially like how it mentions all these "scientists" and "studies," yet never mentions a single name or institute! Real credible information you provided there!




And I NEVER EVER EVER EVER said there was a lunar "pattern" ever... and if i did please post a qoute.. PLEASE.


Okay.



It is common knowledge that the Moon and the Sun and Earth align twice a month. And gravitational pulls our at its greatest at those times.. that makes the oceans tides high and can put stress on body's of land, causing earthquakes.


That right there is what I believe Byrd, E_T, and myself were all referring to. Saying that just because they're (roughly) alligned twice a month we're at a higher risk for earthquakes.

The word "pattern" can be defined as "a recognizably consistent series of related acts." (From dictionary.com) The Sun and Moon being (roughly) alligned twice a month would be a pattern.



Actually.. Doppler Shift is the offical term made by Christian Andreas Doppler after he founded the Doppler Effect. Red shift and blue shift are names for the actions that happen when you are studying something useing the Doppler Effect.

And they DONT mean the same thing. Redshift means "moving towards the red visual light spectrum", blueshift means "moving towards the blue visual light spectrum". And Doppler Shift comes from Doppler Effect that means "A change in the observed frequency of a wave, as of sound or light, occurring when the source and observer are in motion relative to each other, with the frequency increasing when the source and observer approach each other and decreasing when they move apart. The motion of the source causes a real shift in frequency of the wave, while the motion of the observer produces only an apparent shift in frequency. Also called Doppler shift."

The point is.. what i said about Doppler shift is not KNOWINGLY FALSE. Actually it is KNOWNGLY TRUE.

You stating that it is "the same thing" is KNOWINGLY FALSE. So now you arnt following rules.


I'm sorry, I'll pass this information along through the astronomy circles. I would have thought that since I assist in running an observatory for Eastern Michigan University I would know my astronomy lingo. I guess not though!

I guess we'll have to go back to saying that something has a positive or negative Doppler Shift, instead of saying whether something is red or blue shifted. Damn us all wanting to do and say things the easy way!



Um.. what does this have to do with being "knowingly false"?


It didn't, I was just pointing out your unnessary rudeness. I did say that I would go ahead and point out some other things while I was at it.



Actually... I was correct. But I didnt explain the rotation because it was irrelivent to my point.


Then what was your point?



Actually I copyed it from Dictionary.com
dictionary.reference.com...

Once again .... what does this have to do with being "knowingly false"?


Different website, same information. My point was that you didn't provide a link at the time. That's called "plagiarism."



I didnt exaggerate anything.. if you would have even taken the time to read the website I posted maybe you would understand that..

Here is the site I qouted. www.handpen.com...

Scroll down to the part that says "Cosmic Dust Causes Intense Weather".

titian your source or mine must be slighty inacurate or they use different types of methods for recording the speed, or they recorded the speed at different times of Isabels life. They say 203knots(233.653 MPH) at 4500 feet useing GPS dropsondes. The site i provided says 300mph.. and other sites like this en.wikipedia.org... say only 160 mph.. so no matter what it was CATAGORY 5 .. which is unusual.

Once again.. what does this have to do with being "knowingly false"?


Hmm... Which to chose? The scientific source or the random source with little or no credibility? That's a tough one!



I thought you were talking about the sun flares, because just a few posted above this question, you stated yourself how the earths axis determines the seasons.

When i said "WE are facing the sun more" i ment that the United States or Northern Hemisphere is facing more towards the sun, because the earths axis is titled towards it. It is Summer in the United States. Now do I need to prove its summer? Or do i need to reexplain something that you were just explaining a few posts ago? Here is a PICTURE since you dont know how to read.


Whoa buddy, be careful what you say there! That's strike two. The first one was what you said to E_T. Do you want a third one? Don't know what I'm talking about? Look at what I bolded for you.

Yes, I do understand how we are tilted and that it is indeed summer, but I was asking how our tilted axis makes us more vulnerable to the effects of solar flares. You still have not answered that.

Also, the correct way to host an image is to use the (img)your image link here(/img) code. You'll probably want to replace the parentheses with brackets though.


Go Navy!

EDIT: Broken quotes and bolding.

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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 06:40 PM
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Oh wow.. you got insulted by truth.. and then blame it on me. LOL!! Its not my fault you didnt or cant read the websites I posted.

And about your question about how WE (the northern hemisphere) is more vaulnerable to solar flares when our axis is pointed towards the sun....

Its common sense really. Here is an example, no pun intended.

If I wanted to punch you in the nose to break it, but your nose was tilted AWAY from me, technicaly it would be less voulnerable to my punch. If your nose was tilted towards me, then technicaly your nose would be more voulnerable to my punch. Get it? Got it? Good.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Ah yes, nothing like a random seemingly scientific website, where at the end of every section there is an advertisement to buy thier books. I'm sorry, but that website is full of crap. I especially like how it mentions all these "scientists" and "studies," yet never mentions a single name or institute! Real credible information you provided there!



I love the big banner on this site at the top.. even better!!!! Every website costs money. Not everyone is rich, having ads helps pay for websites. And im sure they have a good explination for not naming names or instututes. One, they didnt have the information pressent at the time of typing. Or two, the writer himself was the scientist and he did his own studys. By the way.. which one doesnt have names or insistutes? Im sure i can find the names. Or even find out for you.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
That right there is what I believe Byrd, E_T, and myself were all referring to. Saying that just because they're (roughly) alligned twice a month we're at a higher risk for earthquakes.


Did it ever cross your mind that the constant pulling of gravity from the alinement of the sun and moon, and the forces of the tidal changes from that pulling could effect the earths crust and fault lines?

I stated "It is common knowledge that the Moon and the Sun and Earth align twice a month.". End of sentance. "And gravitational pulls our at its greatest at those times." End of sentance. Both are FACTS. Then i said
"That makes the oceans tides high and can put stress on body's of land, causing earthquakes." End of sentance.

No where does it say it causes earthquakes every time, and nowhere does it say in a pattern. The meaning of me saying that was to get my point across that it CAN effect our planet. REMEMBER I posted this thread under the topic "FRAGILE EARTH".

And about the Doppler Effect.. all i gotta say is .. get a life. That topic is so irrelevant.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Then what was your point?


My point was that the Sun's solar flares are heating the equator more than normal, causing high pressure. That high pressure is moveing towards the low pressure causing wind, and storms.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Different website, same information. My point was that you didn't provide a link at the time. That's called "plagiarism."


It not plagiarism unless they copyright the information.. sorry.


Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Hmm... Which to chose? The scientific source or the random source with little or no credibility? That's a tough one!


How about you find more on your own about the subject, ill bet if you ever find a website, creditabale or not, the info isnt exactly the same. A subject such as "the top speed of a hurricane" can be different from one source to the next. There arnt many people that take the time to go find out that information. Wrong or not, speeds of 233 and 300 is not a huge exageration at all.

And out of pure respect for the bandwidth to whoever loads this thread, and out of pure reaction, I didnt want to post a direct picture. So i linked to one instead.. Im sure 56k users would apreciate that.. and maybe even the webmasters here, and even the webmasters at the site that has the picture, and whoever made that picture, and whoever has the copyright on that picture. T.Y. for explaining but i already know how to add an image manualy. And I even know how to push the button that has the Computer screen and isle on it, to insert an image.

A good moderator of a chat or forum would know that your are not supposed to give the person a reason to disobey rules. And you are not supposed to aggravate someone especially after you warned them not to do the same. Even if it is indirectly. But its ok, the last three letters in your forum name tell a lot.

Did you know the Marines are a branch of the Navy? GO NAVY!

Devil Dog for life.


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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 07:42 PM
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Nevermind...

Wrong Forum Monkeys, not just for the post that should never be seen anymore...

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