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Why do people think Hitler was a Christian?

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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 03:49 AM
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Why do so many people think that Hitler was a Christian? seriously, he hated Christians and Jews, because Christians are Jews with 1 difference: we believe in Jesus. Hitler said that Christianity was an invention of the Jew. Many christians went to the camps too.




posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 05:37 AM
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It is more of a question of why cant people think for themselvs?
If its not reglion then its the Naizs thinking for themselvs would undermine there beliefs something many people are not willing to do.
For people who arent religious nuts or living in countries run by corrupt regimes it is more of a question of why can those people think for themselvs?

These people tend to be modrates or middle roaders on the political spectrum the extremists weather they be consertive or liberal are no differnt they have a differnt coat of paint.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by DanD9
Why do so many people think that Hitler was a Christian? seriously, he hated Christians and Jews, because Christians are Jews with 1 difference: we believe in Jesus. Hitler said that Christianity was an invention of the Jew. Many christians went to the camps too.


Care to source quote that? He said alot of things, including many statements to support that he at least considered himself a Christian and doing the work of the Lord...


Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.


Hitler's Christianity

And why should this be suprising? Have Christians and Jews walked hand in hand for 2,000 years? Hardly. From the inquisition to passion plays of Europe predating Naziism by centuries to Mel Gibson's current Passion and every neo-nazi on the internet, you'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see anti-semites consider themselves Christians.

Whether they are or not is another story. But it's a long standing tradition in Christianity.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by RANT
Because He Was




What is a christian? I figured someone in your position to be above this type of ignorance.
Hitler was not like Christ, nor did he keep Christs word / commandments.

Ignorance Denied

If you are going to hate Jesus, at least find a real reason and stop saying He was like Hitler.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by jake1997
If you are going to hate Jesus, at least find a real reason and stop saying He was like Hitler.


How exactly was he hating on Jesus???

According to the bible its the other way around no?
Lu 14:26
"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."

So you have to be a hate to really embrace Jesus no?



[edit on 7/29/05 by FredT]



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 08:51 AM
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A christian is someone who keeps the word of Christ. Who follows in the footsteps of Christ.

If you are saying Hitler is a christian, you are saying he was just like Christ.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by jake1997
A christian is someone who keeps the word of Christ. Who follows in the footsteps of Christ.
If you are saying Hitler is a christian, you are saying he was just like Christ.


The Church did not seem to have an issue with Hitler?



(Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”) Above

taken from www.evilbible.com...

Also:



Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
www.evilbible.com...



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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No matter how many times they are shown the truth, non-christians...and even some christians, will continue to call the RCC doctrine, christian. It is not.

The crusades, inquisition, addition of mary as queen of heaven, etc......Im sure you can do fine on your own at finding where they do not keep the word of God.
Still...like hitler...the rcc doctrine will be lifted up as the doctrine of Christ.
Its not.

My recent favorite was when JP2 (beloved of the world) said that muslims and jews dont need Christ to goto heaven because they believe on the God of Abraham. Compare that one to scripture.

Even the new Benny said that the jews can wait till Jesus comes the second time to decide. Dont know how he figures that.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by jake1997
If you are saying Hitler is a christian, you are saying he was just like Christ.



You've either argued yourself into a hole and are just trying to dig out, or you just said you're just like Christ because you're a Christian.

You aren't like Christ Jake. Who is?

Hitler was a man. Imperfect. Just like ALL men, Christian or not.

He was also insane and happened to think he was a good Christian. Or portray himself as such. Short trip regardless.

But I was commenting on what Hitler considered himself to be. Not what he was. I'm not qualified to judge who's a real Christian or not. Apparently that's your job. Want to know who I think is really like Hitler now?



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 01:28 PM
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Figures you would take it to extremes to try to wiggle out. The fact is, you want to call them all christians who did all of those things throughout history in order to villify christianity.

Then , even though you feel qualified to judge people to be christian, based on criteria that is nonsense compared to the meaning of christian, you then try to turn around and say it is not right to say that people are not christian.
Your not even trying to play both sides against the middle. Your playing BOTH sides AND the middle.
Wont work.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. Jesus produced life. Hitler produced death.
Not of the same vine.

Please do your part from here on to deny this misimformation or disinformation. Its all very simple. If your not out to win a debate, then the truth is readily acceptable.

Thanks

[edit on 29-7-2005 by jake1997]



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 04:54 PM
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Apparently Hitler was actually a gnostic christian.. his interpriation of doctrine was much different than a regular christian [though perhaps not that much different to medi-evil christian leaders].

[edit on 29-7-2005 by riley]



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 07:14 PM
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This is another thing that needs to be denied.

It doesnt matter what label you give or what meaning you give to the verse... if your not doing what Christ said, then its not christian.
Example. Christ does not kill 6 million jews and 6 million others as the final solution.

Jesus Christs final solution was to die on the cross in your place. HUGE DIFFERENCE

No matter what the label, if its not walking after Christ, then its not Christ ian



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 10:32 PM
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Exactly. the 12 were Jews too, and Jesus was one too
What makes killing people a Christian thing?



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by jake1997
Figures you would take it to extremes to try to wiggle out.


Wiggle out of what? You're bordering manic lunacy over this thread. Why?

Read my words carefully. Where are they not qualified? From my very first post... [added underlines just for angry Christians seeing red, but not black & white]

"[Hitler] said alot of things, including many statements to support that he at least considered himself a Christian and doing the work of the Lord... "

And this...

"And why should this be suprising? Have Christians and Jews walked hand in hand for 2,000 years? Hardly. From the inquisition to passion plays of Europe predating Naziism by centuries to Mel Gibson's current Passion and every neo-nazi on the internet, you'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see anti-semites consider themselves Christians.

Whether they are or not is another story. But it's a long standing tradition in Christianity.
"

I'm not saying these people were "good" Christians Jake. Or even realTM Christians. But you of all people surely won't deny lots of people call themselves Christian and do all kinds of unChristian things in His name. Or do you not read your own threads are about why most "Christians" in the world (aka Catholics) aren't Christian (in your lofty estimation).

Do they not claim to be though as did Hitler?

Don't even try to make this about me 'hating on Christ' or not denying ignorance. Please. Try embracing some logic here. Just this once.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by jake1997
No matter how many times they are shown the truth, non-christians...and even some christians, will continue to call the RCC doctrine, christian. It is not.


So, I see you are not only the self appointed authority on the age of the earth, but also the self appointed authority on who is and isn't a True Christian™.

Tell me Jake, was Jesus married?



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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If there are people that think Hitler was a Christian, that must be because they are either insane or cant read. In his "confession" book, Hitler made it very clear he was a Luciferian and that His plan was to "Clean" humanity form the "bad Races". He beleive "angels of light" had given him this plan.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir
If there are people that think Hitler was a Christian, that must be because they are either insane or cant read. In his "confession" book, Hitler made it very clear he was a Luciferian and that His plan was to "Clean" humanity form the "bad Races". He beleive "angels of light" had given him this plan.


I've been searching for this and can't seem to find what you're talking about. Do you have a reference?



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by spamandham

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
If there are people that think Hitler was a Christian, that must be because they are either insane or cant read. In his "confession" book, Hitler made it very clear he was a Luciferian and that His plan was to "Clean" humanity form the "bad Races". He beleive "angels of light" had given him this plan.


I've been searching for this and can't seem to find what you're talking about. Do you have a reference?


Get the book "Spear of destiny" its there... maybe you can find it online or even to download ...



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by DanD9
Why do so many people think that Hitler was a Christian? seriously, he hated Christians and Jews, because Christians are Jews with 1 difference: we believe in Jesus. Hitler said that Christianity was an invention of the Jew. Many christians went to the camps too.







I have always heard that Hitler had Jewish Blood from Birth and he really thought that he could kill then all...
He did not understand his own Jewish History and Future !!!!!!



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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I'm not saying these people were "good" Christians Jake. Or even realTM Christians. But you of all people surely won't deny lots of people call themselves Christian and do all kinds of unChristian things in His name.


On these things we can agree easily. But there are those out there who will insist, without regard for anything CHrist did...even laying down His own life for people who spit on Him... that christianity (what Christ taught and the people who follow Christ) is bad because of the acts of the RCC and 'christians like hitler'.

On the other hand...

I wish there was video of hitlers last day and it showed him bowing and repenting to Christ right before he was killed.
Then we would have an interesting story.

Paul, formerly Saul, was a hitler type person who didnt have a shot at being Ceasar/Kaiser. He was every bit as bad except his main thrust was at christians. Then he became one. Jesus said if you hate then you have murdered. So how much different then saul and hitler is the avg joe with his road rage, dislike of his boss or co-worker or classmate....etc...

In the end...hitler was not a christian, the cursades were not christian, the inquisition was not christian, the genocide of the NA and SA indians was not christian, apartide was not christian, the archbishop of caterbury is not...err...the pope..err..umm...nm. That might start a new rapids we have to navigate.



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