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Marx giving masonic handsign?

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posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 04:46 PM
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Ok, this is funny.

This webpage is claiming that Karl Marx was a freemason, and that in this photo he is specifically giving a 'masonic handsign' that indicates as such.

Now, I don't know much about masonry and the like, but that seems pretty weak to me.


... The brave Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the famous Russian writer who has been called the "Conscience of the 20th Century," served eight long years in the Soviet Gulag prison system. Today, he is hated by top-level Jews in America and around the world because he exposed the Jewish leadership of the genocide of 66 million Communist Gulag victims. Many victims were Christians. ...

Then, in 2000, Solzhenitsyn released a blockbuster new book he had penned entitled Together For Two Hundred Years. The new book was a lengthy treatise, a thorough and far-reaching compilation of several decades of research by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn into the machinations for two centuries of Jews inside Russia and the Soviet Empire.

Karl Marx, the Jewish radical who inspired Lenin and Trotsky with his communist theories, was secretly a High Priest of Satan (see Richard Wurmbrand's book, Marx and Satan). Shown here in his official portrait, Marx is giving an enigmatic Masonic hand sign




posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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That's FUNNY! WHAT hand sign?!? I don't see him making any sign at all! Unless the author is referring to Marx having his hand under his shirt, like MANY people including Napoleon used to do? In any case, that is not a masonic sign. Far from it, it's nothing like any masonic sign I have ever seen or heard of.

Then again, it seems to me that this author is a little biased against both Marx and Freemasonry.



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 04:52 PM
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The sign of fidelity is Masonic and the sign of reverence is both Masonic and generic.

Neither is given under a waistcoat.



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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Clearly, Marx is seen giving the due-guard for the much-rumored "knife and fork" degree. He is also supplying a creepy subtext on the objectification of the human form in post-capitalist comedy routines.





Advance and be recognized, Philalethes!



[edit on 28-7-2005 by dr_strangecraft]



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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Then again, it seems to me that this author is a little biased against both Marx and Freemasonry.

and the jos, the joooooos I tell you the jooooos!

Presumably he's talking about marx's left hand on his knee. Looks like his pinky is unflexed.


Evil unflexed-pinkies masons!



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 05:35 PM
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Here's a Masonic handsign, I'd swear by it:







posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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we all know that hand sign! it is the hand sign used by all evil secret societies! its the V for VILLIAN



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 05:54 PM
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Here's the masonic sign to give to anti-masons:

Edit:

I was asked to remove an image of a middle finger. No fair! It was funny!

[edit on 28-7-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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the mods take all the fun away! first time we are agreeing on something eh?

for what it is worth Sebatwerk, i thought it whas funny!

[edit on 28-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
the mods take all the fun away! first time we are agreeing on something eh?

for what it is worth Sebatwerk, i thought it whas funny!


Hah! Thanks. I thought it was very clever, oh well. It's strange too because generally the mods love a good joke. In any case, it wasn't a moderator that asked me to take it down, it was a ATS council staff member who suggested I remove it.



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 06:20 PM
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Marx is to much in to himself to ever be a freemason.



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 06:22 PM
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Hah! Thanks. I thought it was very clever, oh well. It's strange too because generally the mods love a good joke. In any case, it wasn't a moderator that asked me to take it down, it was a ATS council staff member who suggested I remove it.


Then i will refrase it is the people with influence and power who takes all the fun away! 8p



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 06:27 PM
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It's not the hand sign that masonic, it's his beard. We all know Masons love ZZ Top



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowflux
It's not the hand sign that masonic, it's his beard. We all know Masons love ZZ Top


True, it might as well be Albert Pike sitting there in that foto



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 08:26 PM
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Mwa ha ha now that you have all responded to my thread I have lots of points mwa ha ha



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by cmaracing
Marx is to much in to himself to ever be a freemason.



I agree.

Also, when they tried to r____ him on the 5POF, it was a s___.



Q. Why did they bury the fireman behind the hill?

A. Because he was dead.



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 09:58 PM
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Is it a masonic rite or a monty python skit!>?



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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Marx wasn't a Mason, but neither was he a "high priest of satan", lol. He was simply a philosopher and economist. He was completely secular, and had no real religious beliefs.

That website attempts to portray him as evil, but that was not the case. He would not have condoned in any way the slaughter perpetrated by the 20th century Stalinist Communists, nor would he have supported tyranny in any form. Marx's vision of socialism was that of a society in which each individual would be free to fulfill his/her full potential without being held back by the "chains" of capitalistic production and the fluctuations of the market. This vision of a world in which money and war are eliminated and replaced by universal cooperation and respect is a far cry from the so-called "Communist" dictatorships that have plagued the world since 1917.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 07:48 AM
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From an economist point of view, karl marx should probably be omitted from the history book. I dont know why anyone would spend more than 5 minutes discussing him, his ideas are far fetched and there are far better economists than he.
Not for noting but I'd think that actual economists are a better source of information of the stature of marx than any of us here, and they seem to feel that he is well worth looking at. Granted, his theories had more of an influence on historical analysis and government than economics tho.


Masonic Light
There are at least 6 French Lodges that claim to be Napolean's Mother Lodge.

Hmm, a catholic in masonry? Why wasn't he booted from the church?

Of course, I can think of why he wasn't, but you'd think that this'd've caused some sort of tension between him and the church, or that he'd've pressured the church to not muck with masonry.

[edit on 29-7-2005 by Nygdan]



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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They could at least show him giving something like a Masonic sign. Sitting there with a hand in your shirt is not a Masonic sign.

Not only that but Marx couldn't be a Mason, he was atheist...




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