Blanket Ban Less Than 2 Weeks Away!

Originally posted by Popeye
This law is a reaction to that recent criminal case of the Antique dealer/ Egg Farmer and his son who sold de-activated guns with reactivating kits. Apparently he sold thousands (AK's, Uzis etc they also found a bazooka with ammo) he apparently said buy 10 get 1 free.

Police think he sold at least 3000 and detectives revealed that weapons bought from the pair had been recovered at the scene of eight murders, countless gangland shootings and a loyalist arms cache in Dublin, NI, Manchester, Glasgow and London.

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[edit on 28-7-2005 by Popeye]

All it takes is a few dumbies, and everyone gets badly owned.

Why they want to sell deactivated weapons with reactivation kits? Don;t they understand they are deactivated for a reason?

This is somewhat funny for someone who lives in a state where you can go to a shop and say
"Yea I want that Rifle, do you have a drivers licence on you?"
"Yes. Here you go."
"Sold."
Of course, Maine isnt known for its gun crime now is it? More likely they are using it for a good purpose.
Poor liberal europeans......and poor liberal east coast..

Guys, many thanks for your posts. I am impressed with those from our 'Colonial' friends across the Big Pond. Yep! You are indeed lucky to have the Constitution and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

We in the UK, have never had that right and now our Home Office is determined to keep all weapons out of our sweaty littlew hands.

But those of you who take airsoft weps on cadet weekends - beware! The 'Little Red Book' forbids this - or do you have different rules in your county?

As to having our rights taken away from us, citizens of the UK have never been able to 'Keep and Bear Arms' in any way, shape nor form.

The incidents of Hungerford and Dunblane, tragic though they were, did much to enhance the anti-gun lobby in this country.

However, according to Magna Carta - Yeomen have the right to 'Keep such Bows as they have in their crofts and may also accrue a ready supply of arrows'.

Great! Only problem is, the Ministry of Defence under Mr Hoon the Loon, has cut the Yeomanry almost to the bone, and the 'Great Bear' Mr Reide, is continuing the 'Loon's' work, so we won't even be protected by Bow and arrow wielding neighbours when the crazies attack us with their illegal machineguns.

Australians for one have never had an enshrined right to "own and arm bears" and I for one am glad.

In my life I have seen Hoddle Street, Queen Street, Walsh Street and Port Arthur. Those are perfectly legitimate reasons for keeping a tool designed solely to kill out of the public's hands and none of them come close to matching Columbine.

As for replicas, cops have killed kids who were playing with replicas by mistake. That's a pretty good reason to keep replicas that are "too" real out of the market.

I agree Howlrunner BUT in UK, we're talking about a total ban on all types of weapons - including those kept in secure cabinets at home. [Even the transportation from an underground home armourey or cabinet, to your local gun club or range, will be an offense under the new legislation]

If the anti-gun lobby take it to extremes, then even bits of wood shaped like firearms will be subjected to this law. Cap guns or any weap capable of firing .22 and .8 mm blanks or caps, will be banned. The ban also includes Starter Pistols [used in athletics]

I have a very good friend who's job for the MOD, is designing, building and maintaining rifle ranges. He needs replica weaps [SA80S, LSWs, GPMGs, Mortars and Sniper Rifles] in order to design and build racking for armouries. He often starts from scratch where no weaps are available. He cannot just use measurements and, even though he uses a CAD based design system, he still needs to 'see' what the end product will be like.

Under the proposed legislation, he will be committing an offense if he transports replica weaps to and from his place of work.

Crazy - innit?

i grew up in a farming community and at the same time grew up further to spend most of my teens in Manchester....gun capital of the UK.

ive always had air rifles, 12 guages for clay shooting and such like countryside related things but ive also grown up in a place where young wanna be gangsters run round putting illegal pistols in peoples face for intimidation purposes.....although to be fair i only ever actually witnessed one shooting up close and that was the death of stockport gangster chris little.

i think its way over the top to impose such strict gun laws.....a gun isnt dangerous if you dont point it at a person and you respect that it can cause terrible damage if misused........well.....of course a gun is dangerous but i think you see what i mean?

like a good friend of mine, i have a few replica weapons in Portugal, were both agreed that it's the engineering element that attracts us to collect them, and also a bit of the history element and their development.

Many of my friends have firearms in Portugal.....i can honestley say ive never seen them brandished around by them....as if there on a power trip because they believe the gun gives them some faulse super power, i have seen that in the UK.

Europe doesnt seem to have a major problem with guns...mainly because like the states, the police carry them.....most pals of mine who come to visit me in Portugal find it such a weird novelty when a copper walks past with a gun on his belt......they'll even go as far as to point at it and stare.

Far better would it be to clamp down on known drug dealers, gangsters and general thieves and idiots.....they are undoubtdley going to be the worst perpitrators.....

Regards.

MATURITY
I don’t want to sound insulting but I think the rights and privileges a government gives its people depends on how mature the govt. think the people are with those freedoms, in America they trust us with GUNS they don’t with drugs or drunken driving. In Holland they trust people with drugs and prostitutes and stuff, so yeah the grass is greener on the other side always.

This BAN is actually a bit overboard but I think it will generally have good effects on crime and stuff. It is more important to tack incoming illegal weapons and gunrunners that would IMHO be much more useful.
Compared to the US, you guys might have a bad deal when it comes to guns but you guys might be safer in the long run, maybe!
I have been to England and when I spoke to my friends there they informed me that Automatics are strictly not allowed in the UK but somebody here posted that they have an MP5, so just wondering!

About this happening in the US, that would be a far dream of the Govt. The gun lobby in America is very strong (The NRA). Maybe you guys should start something like that and make them politically influential, that way you can maybe influence the govt. or get some concessions.
Anyway this bill has not been passed and even when it passes, there will be some opposition and their maybe some loopholes.
Also what the hell do people with "replica's”? Can they fire bullets or are they as the name suggests merely models?

IAF

Originally posted by fritz
But those of you who take airsoft weps on cadet weekends - beware! The 'Little Red Book' forbids this - or do you have different rules in your county?

Its perfectly legal you know, we only take them when the MOD has authorized it and its usually on secluded areas like Salisbury Plain, Bovington and Dartmoor. All MOD land in fact. If we dont get permission form our CO and just take them without telling him, its illegal.

EDIT- Messed up the quote.

[edit on 29-7-2005 by Zanzibar]

Originally posted by jetsetter
Move to the US,any state between the East Coast and the West Coast.
You can own anything you want.

Just don't live in D.C. People there don't have their constitutional rights.
They are NOT allowed to own a handgun for any reason (unless they
are law enforcement) and they have taxation without representation.
I understand the reasons for the non-voting ... but no guns? The
DC Snipers had a field day, they didn't have to worry about anyone
shooting back!

For those who agree with this ban, could you explain your train of thought? If you take away the public's only way to defend itself, then you create the situation of the feeling of being more insecure. Thank god I live in the United States where no matter how many people are somehow tricked into believe this would be a good thing, won't happen. The 2nd ammendment is my new best friend.

Guys you're getting confused - this is about replica toy guns and airsoft, non-lethal toys firing plastic BB's, that's all that's being banned. As my earlier post CO2 pellet-firing clones will still be legal.

BTW in UK you have a RIGHT to hold a shotgun - upto them to prove you shouldn't have one. Seems to be only Americans / youth on here who actually know nothing about UK firearms legislation.

UK Police are now allowing hobby shooters handguns for humane despatch for deer, thanks to the representations by BASC.

Not as bad as y'all think! It's just you need a reason for RF/CF to be granted and pistols are banned apart from black powder or long barrelled pistols (again not as bad as people are telling you!) and now the odd deer hunter.

[edit on 29/7/05 by CTID56092]

Originally posted by fritz
I agree Howlrunner BUT in UK, we're talking about a total ban on all types of weapons - including those kept in secure cabinets at home. [Even the transportation from an underground home armourey or cabinet, to your local gun club or range, will be an offense under the new legislation]

If the anti-gun lobby take it to extremes, then even bits of wood shaped like firearms will be subjected to this law. Cap guns or any weap capable of firing .22 and .8 mm blanks or caps, will be banned. The ban also includes Starter Pistols [used in athletics]

I have a very good friend who's job for the MOD, is designing, building and maintaining rifle ranges. He needs replica weaps [SA80S, LSWs, GPMGs, Mortars and Sniper Rifles] in order to design and build racking for armouries. He often starts from scratch where no weaps are available. He cannot just use measurements and, even though he uses a CAD based design system, he still needs to 'see' what the end product will be like.

Under the proposed legislation, he will be committing an offense if he transports replica weaps to and from his place of work.

Crazy - innit?

No it isn't, no it won't!

This is just plain wrong - the good reason test will apply (as it does with all other weapons) without good reason you can't transport. On way to a range / club / place of work etc is good reason.

Airsoft (ha) is not being banned - the same conditions that apply for airguns, shotties etc are being applied, that's all!

Ill-informed scaremongering, confusing the septics! Not true!

Some states, mostly Massachuettes and New York, have really terrible gun laws compared to most northern and mid western states, and the south too.

I just dont see the point of this other than to please a portion of the population for votes, otherwise, regardless of the practical implications, wouldnt be done.

Who cares what Britain bans, it's a doomed socialist craphole filled with people who are too lazy to stand up for their own freedoms.

They hate guns, period, and that's their choice - I hope it makes them feel safer. Just don't come begging to the USA for guns like you did at the onset of WWII, everyone seems to forget how hunters in the US were asked to "donate" their rifles to help the unarmed British.

As for me, I'll keep my concealed handgun permit, my assault rifles, and the ability to have ammunition shipped direct to my doorstep.

I've lived in both countries, and I know which one I feel safer in.

Winchester, your a nice guy now arent you? Just completley slag the whole nation off in one sweep. You have assault rifles? Whats the point!!!!!!

We are not a weak nation who needs help, we can stand up against our government, have you ever done it? Its not as easy as buttering bread you know.

And how dare you say we are a lazy country, a craphole? Thats a but harsh isnt it. We are you, and vice versa, you speak English, yet you obviously hate the country, why dont you speak rednck instead?

EDIT- And one thing for the books, a 'gun' is completely different from a 'weapon' look in the dictionary and youll find out you dont have guns but weapons.

[edit on 29-7-2005 by Zanzibar]

[edit on 29-7-2005 by Zanzibar]

Originally posted by Zanzibar
Winchester, your a nice guy now arent you? Just completley slag the whole nation off in one sweep. You have assault rifles? Whats the point!!!!!!

We are not a weak nation who needs help, we can stand up against our government, have you ever done it? Its not as easy as buttering bread you know.

EDIT- And one thing for the books, a 'gun' is completely different from a 'weapon' look in the dictionary and youll find out you dont have guns but weapons.

Firstly, I suggest you read that dictionary some more because it's "you're a nice guy", not "your a nice guy" - the English school system at work


As for your rant about "guns" versus "weapons", I own several handGUNS, the official documentation I fill out to purchase them describes them as handGUNS, but then you'll have to take my word for that won't you, because you'll never own one of your own.

So you ask what use are assault rifles. I personally know of a lady who used a Bushmaster 5.56mm EBR (Evil Black Rifle) to defend her life, you should try telling her that assault rifles are pointless. They are also used in competitions nationwide in the USA, so if actual cases of personal protection and a national sport don't satisfy your anti-gun zeal, I'm not sure what will.

As for standing up against the government, the only time in recent history the Brits tried that was during the miner's strike, and they lost. You're a nation of subjects, we are citizens, which brings me nicely to my next rebuttal.

We in the USA have stood up to a tyrannical government before, but we won, it was YOUR GOVERNMENT that we defeated. The immediate aftermath of that was the Second Amendment that guaranteed our right to own firearms, just in case you came back, which you did in 1812, and we kicked you out again, with the help of our evil child killing guns.

Like I said, you have the misfortune to live in a socialist rat hole, and you're (note the spelling here) welcome to it. Quit whining about having your plastic gun shaped toys taken away from you, we really don't care, you don't deserve to own guns.

And yet the rest of the world marvels at how these two countries, who obviously hate each others guts to some degree, can be allies...

Play nice folks, Britain isnt communist yet, and sure America is the land of the sort of free......

Originally posted by Raideur
Some states, mostly Massachuettes and New York, have really terrible gun laws compared to most northern and mid western states, and the south too.

I just dont see the point of this other than to please a portion of the population for votes, otherwise, regardless of the practical implications, wouldnt be done.

You have no clue what you are talking about. I live in Massachusetts, have a concealed weapons liscence for large-capacity weapons, and personally own over a dozen guns, including three pistols. I shoot on a regular basis, right ouy in my back yard as well. We just don't hand out guns to every schmuck who's only pre-requisite for ownership is that he/she can produce an ID from their pocket...........

Originally posted by Raideur
And yet the rest of the world marvels at how these two countries, who obviously hate each others guts to some degree, can be allies...

Play nice folks, Britain isnt communist yet, and sure America is the land of the sort of free......

So you see 2 guys going at it over firearms ownership and that somehow becomes "two countries, who obviously hate each others guts".

Nice statistical research there bub, although I would be happy to, I don't yet represent the USA on all international issues.

And no one accused Britain of being Communist, the word used was Socialist, there's a big difference. You were however right on one thing, no one is truly "free".

[edit on 29-7-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

Look Winchester, I can own a handgun if I really want to, I know where to get them, not legal, but how would the government know I have them? Unless they have me under there eye for some reason. On the 'terrorist' list or something, wouldnt be a surprise to me really.

Why did you have to bring up old grudges? It is true, I used to dispise America and everyone who lived there, for no other reason that I couldnt take that they had helped us in WW2. But then I grew up and stopped slagging off other countries for no reason.

We cant stand upto our government because they would kick us back to the stone age, tru, not many of us have weapons, but alot of people (well me anyway) know where to get them.

I dont agree with the ban, but I wouldnt start a revoltion over some airsoft weapons. Im peeved off and I will break the law in keeping mine, but I wont actually fight. Thats sad.

So lets stop the sad flaming before we both get banned.