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Originally posted by worldwatcher
what's a true patriot?
not sure, nazi's were patriots, kamikaze bombers were patriots, insurgents are patriots, soldiers are patriots, politicians are patriots.
I love my country and I support our good deeds and defend us when I feel a cause a justified, but I also speak up against things that I don't agree with in this country, so am I a patriot or not? I don't know.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I do, however support and defend the Declaration and the Constitution, which discourage blind allegiance to the authority.
Originally posted by Koka
pheonixhasrisin, I think from what you quote, that you do not favour the patriotic?, could you elaborate on your own perspective? [edit on 27-7-2005 by Koka]
Originally posted by MCory1
phoenixhasrisin, I'm not knocking your point of view; you make some good points, and it's definitely not a perspective I've ever considered--I appreciate the enlightenment. But at the same time, what can be defined as "more permanent and substantial"?
Generally speaking, I don't love the actual land I was born in as a physical entity. I love the ideals that I personally believe are held in that land, and the fact that they are constantly changing is something else that I love. The dirt under the hospital I was born in is the same dirt as anywhere else in the world. There's nothing special about that dirt. There's nothing special about the boundaries we've set for the nation either, other than the general respect that it (sometimes) has from other people who have set similar boundaries. It's all about the ideas. It's all about the concept of "American", or "British" or "French".
Some of the most patriotic Americans weren't born on the same dirt that I was. Some of the most patriotic members of other nations were born on the same dirt. Some on both sides of that spectrum have never even left their original soil.
Sure, borders change on almost a daily basis. The ideals one holds dear often change more frequently, and the ideals I hold dear as an American aren't necessarily the ones that are being represented by the American government. I still consider both my ideals and the government "American" though. I still hold true to those ideals as best as I can. And I still consider myself somewhat patriotic whenever I do something to uphold them regardless of whether the current administration would feel the same or not.
Originally posted by Koka
I'll have to double check this as I really have no idea what is stated within the Declaration of Independance or the US Constitution, but if true is a very interesting tidbit.
Maybe someone who knows these documents better could enlighten me?