Originally posted by SOCIAL_TAKEOVER
Alright wantthetruth

The machines voted for Bush
The workers said don't vote for kerry
your kids went home crying 'what a vile world we live in'
Castro killed Kennedy
We never walked on the moon
George washington was a Spanish spy
Milli Vanilli never sang - (oops..got me there)
Elvis is alive
There IS life on Mars
ATS is overseen by the government
All mods on here are reptiles..or communists...or scientists...or...
White bread is actually better for you than WHEAT!
Viagra won't REALLY make you blind

There i feel much better now...time to go watch CNN, and read USA Today. Then I might tune into FOX news on the radio or log onto a BBC broadcast and get all the news I need...see no mind control or government conspiracy here...nothing to see folks.

All I can say to that is AWESOME


But you forgot one, all the worlds ills are because of the UNited States and its coal burning powerplants and only (Its) Automobiles.

A careful review of the facts shows that in 2004, paid Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression efforts than their Republican counterparts. Examples include:
* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.

* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.

* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.

* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.

Vote fraud and voter registration fraud were significant problems in at least a dozen states around the county. Vote fraud is a reality in America that occurred not only in large battleground states like Wisconsin but in places like Alabama and Kentucky. The record indicates that in 2004, voter registration fraud was mainly the work of so-called “nonpartisan” groups such as Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) and NAACP National Voter Fund. Examples include:

* Joint task force in Wisconsin found “clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee,” including more than 200 felon voters, more than 100 double voters and thousands more ballots cast than voters recorded as having voted in the city.

* NAACP National Voter Fund worker in Ohio paid crack cocaine in exchange for a large number of fraudulent voter registration cards in names of Dick Tracy, Mary Poppins and other fictional characters.

* Former ACORN worker said there was “a lot of fraud committed” by group in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states across the country, resulting in a statewide investigation of the group in Florida and multiple indictments and convictions of ACORN/Project Vote workers for voter registration fraud in several states.


The Democrats have organized massive efforts to subvert the democratic process over the last several election cycles. Voter fraud is still the great unacknowledged issue of our democracy. Ominously, violence has more recently supplemented fraud in the Democrats' arsenal of dirty tricks. We are a long way from solving these problems, but shining the light of publicity on them is a first step.

The election before this one, set the stage for today's automatic dismissal of the possibility of election fraud this time around.

I've brought this up to republican friends and spouse and what i got was rolling eye balls and an automatic closed mind, despite all the factual inconsistencies...This is a worldwide pandemic.

The masses have been conditioned to say 'get over it'...

What makes me utterly sick to my stomach, is that in today's world the masses are as selfish as they ever were, with crass consumption and lack of sensibility, the inhumanity and unfairness of not listening and taking one seriously if they have a mature and fact based opposing view, and I blame this on the republicans and democrats, the us vs them mentality, the opposing view is automatically dismissed because afterall if you the opposer you are them, you are either a republican or a democrat, and are branded by the word's faschist, kook, pot head, wackjob, ect... So indeed, who wants to listen to any of these 'types' of people? They are ____or they are _________ (fill in blank with whatever name calling word you like to use)....

And that is what shuts the mind off, and that is what makes one not take the other person seriously. It has everything to with politics in this country.


And I am appalled... I love your founding fathers to death, I respect them like I respect my father and my grandfather, those were great men, smart to the bone were your founding fathers, and to not pay them as much attention as you do current day politicians who get their pockets lined with lobbyists' money, and spread untruth's to the masses for votes and to play on people's emotions ( on both sides) is loathly and distasteful and very much stupefies me.


This is a serous topic and to dismiss the very real possibility of election fraud in this country is obtuse. Why is it so hard to open one's mind to the possibility that this could happen in this country.

The idea that 'this country is the best in the world' gets in the way of ' anything can happen here' and injustices happen in this country all the time just like in every other country.

And politics is different today then it was centuries ago, it's become more materialistic, your representatives and senators have to have money now to get those positions, the president has to have lot's of people behind him sponsoring him and shovelling money into the cause, it's not about real statesmen representing the people anymore, this has everything to do with who has the most money and who can bs their way in and fulfill promises of the companies and special people who are behind the scenes..

And now to have electronic voting machines which the republicans have very close ties to the diebold founder should create even more suspicion in one's mind, especially if you are a republican.

You shouldn't let your political beliefs (party affiliation) get in the way of unjustice and fraud.

Whatever happened to Country before party, fairness before intolerance
Justice before injustice?

How does one make the ends justify the means?

Intellectual dishonesty...

And i'm not going to tell republican's how to feel because it's not my job.
But they have been conditioned to think victory or death.

Hannity during the elections was saying how dangerous the liberals are and if people don't vote republican this country is going under. ect ect.

Now, does that not provoke fear? Does that not provoke negative feelings towards the other party? Does that not provoke one to automatically dismiss what the other side has to say, even if they are defending and trying to set the records straight? (even though I believe personally liberals don't know what their stance is on the issues)

It's the psychology of it all, it's the total mind #ing of the masses, and people aren't aware that it's happening all the time. All the time... On the radio, on the news, in the newpapers...

Open your minds, get a bigger picture, take people seiorusly even if they are standing opposite of you when it comes to social and economical issues.

Voting fraud is more important then that, it jepordizes freedom on both sides, and that is something you should want to unite under.



[edit on 8-8-2005 by TrueLies]

Maybe it died before then.

How can you run a democracy if you don't allow other registered, legitmate political parties to debate the republicans and democrats?

I only saw to people debating last year, I know david cobb (leader of the green party, and michael badnarik of the libertarian party were ARRESTED for trying to enter the debates)

They knew it would happen but they were proving a point.

How is this democracy?!

This is a farce, and it's all show...

Democracy died along time ago.