Democracy = Died in Ohio in 2004 election theft, page 1
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Topic started on 27-7-2005 @ 09:19 AM by Bout Time
I came across this article that summerizes the points brought to fore by Re. John Conyers. I was amazed that, with these things being part of the public record, not a single MSM has taken a vetting posture on any of it - not even an expose or two.
Democrats are complicit in this folks, make no mistake. A Senator or Representative or a Party Chair can garner press coverage with a phone call - why have the drums stopped beating ( with some, they never started) into investigating these things? Right now, the Democrat power elite are playing the role of Generalisimo Franco, the Bush Cabal Neocons are the Luftwaffe, and we are the citizens of Guernica.

Michigan Representative John Conyers’ report, Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio. More than dirty tricks, it covers “the run-up to the election, the election itself, and the post-election cover-up,” listing “specific violations of the U.S. and Ohio constitutions, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1968, the National Voter Registration Act, and the Help America Vote Act.”

The Conyers report details the disenfranchisement of Democrats through “intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio.”


CHARGES



There was unequal placement of voting machines.

County boards of elections were ordered to reject all Ohio voter-registration forms not printed on white, uncoated paper of not less than 80 lb. text weight.

Access was limited to provisional ballots.

“Caging”was used to challenge 35,000 individuals who did not sign for registered letters sent to new voters.

There was restriction of media from covering the election and conducting exit polls.

There was a prearranged FBI terrorist attack warning in Warren County which kept reporters from observing a post-election ballot-counting.

There was restriction of foreign monitors from “watching the opening of the polling places, the counting of the ballots, and, in some cases, the election itself.

Numerous statistical anomalies all deducted votes from Kerry.

In Cuyahoga and Franklin Counties, “the arrows on the absentee ballots were not properly aligned with their respective punch holes, so that countless votes were miscast.”

In Mercer County, 4000 votes were mysteriously not in the final count.

In Lucas County a polling place never opened because no one had the key.

In Hamilton County, many absentee voters could not vote for Kerry because his name was not on the ballot.

In Mahoning County 25 electronic machines changed Kerry votes to Bush.

Dirty tricks told voters to go to false polling places; that Democrats were to vote on November 3; volunteers offered to take absentee ballots to the election office; voters were challenged to prove eligibility to vote. The “Texas Strike Force” (25 people registered at a Franklin County Holiday Inn, paid by the Republican Party) threatened targeted people from a pay phone, if they voted.

Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell created rules for the Ohio recount (requested by the Green and Libertarian Parties) which would prevent “countywide hand recounts by any means necessary.” The end result was “the Ohio vote was never properly recounted, as required by Ohio law.”

On December 13, 2004, it was reported by Deputy Director of Hocking County Elections Sherole Eaton, that a Triad GSI employee had changed the computer that operated the tabulating machine, and had “advised election officials how to manipulate voting machinery to ensure that [the] preliminary hand recount matched the machine count.” This same Triad employee said he worked on machines in Lorain, Muskingum, Clark, Harrison, and Guernsey counties.

“Based on the above, including actual admissions and statements by Triad employees, it strongly appears that Triad and its employees engaged in a course of behavior to provide “cheat sheets” to those counting the ballots. The cheat sheets told them how many votes they should find for each candidate, and how many over and under votes they should calculate to match the machine count. In that way, they could avoid doing a full county-wide hand recount mandated by state law. If true, this would frustrate the entire purpose of the recount law—to randomly ascertain if the vote counting apparatus is operating fairly and effectively, and if not to conduct a full hand recount.”



In Union County, Triad replaced the hard drive on one tabulator.

In Monroe County, “after the 3 percent hand count had twice failed to match the machine count, a Triad employee brought in a new machine and took away the old one. (That machine’s count matched the hand count.)”

Green and Libertarian volunteers reported that in Allen, Clermont, Cuyahoga, Morrow, Hocking, Vinton, Summit, and Medina counties, “the precincts for the 3 percent hand recount were preselected, not picked at random, as the law requires.”

Even though the 3 percent hand recount in Fairfield County was different than the machine count, there was no hand count as required.

“In Washington and Lucas counties, ballots were marked or altered, apparently to ensure that the hand recount would equal the machine count.”

“In Ashland, Portage, and Coshocton counties, ballots were improperly unsealed or stored.”

At great cost, Belmont County had an independent programmer change the counting machines so they would only count votes for President.

“..Democratic and/or Green observers were denied access to absentee, and /or provisional ballots, or were not allowed to monitor the recount process, in Summit, Huron, Putnam, Allen, Holmes, Mahoning, Licking, Stark, Medina, Warren, and Morgan counties.



Free Press as reprinted from Harper's


reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 10:20 AM by billybob
all right.
i didn't swear anymore than you can hear on family hour public broadcast.

why was i warned? because my argument was too strong?

i'm TIRED of the phrase 'get over it'. any full blooded human should be very upset about the state of the system.

lose the voting machines. people are supposed to vote. maybe HAL will win the next election. or C3PO or R2D2.

i was speaking metaphorically(with admitted powerful venom). my venom is directed at those who have STOLEN AMERICA. i won't 'get over it' until these uber criminals are all dead or in jail, and a vote actually counts for something other than pomp and circumstance.

i sincerely apologise if the truth is too harsh for some people to hear in such a visceral manner. bout time has layed out a list of documented crimes. three words are supposed to wave it off into oblivion like the truth is irrelevent(which, it admittedly is, LOL).


thanks for the warn. i've never had one. this one i will take as a badge of honour.

once again, sorry if i was too harsh. (which i don't think i was, HAHA. i think i soft-soaped it.)

families were murdered on 911 by the shadow gov.
the fact is, the constitution is what the forefathers fought for .....undermined by bushco with the patriot act and executive orders(handing the fed over to private bankers was the beginning of the end. bushco is just the current incarnation of an older cabal).
the franklin cover-up and the whitehouse kiddie parties(jeff gannon, et al) are literally the rape of children by our 'elected' 'leaders'.

get over it?

i'm just really SICK of that phrase.


reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 10:27 AM by Centrist
I read through all that and think...

1 -- John Conyers is a mainstream, non-partisan, so his take must be accurate! (yeah right, he is one of the most polar figures in politics!)

2 -- Most of the the items mentioned by Conyers cut for and against both candidates... such as...



County boards of elections were ordered to reject all Ohio voter-registration forms not printed on white, uncoated paper of not less than 80 lb. text weight.


I think the democrats get really cheesed-off when people start following the law instead of giving them votes that weren't cast for them.

3 -- I haven't done a search to find it, but didn't someone do a study to show that even if EVERYTHING conyers alleges is true, Kerry would still have lost Ohio by quite a few votes (i.e., tens of thousands).

4 -- Isn't the REALY problem with democracy the fault of the democrats? We can't have a vote nowadays because if the democrats lose, they claim the vote is unfair or that some sort of election law was not properly followed.

You may not remember, but it was almost 2 am on the day after election day when John Edwards took the podium to announce that the fight wasn't over (with shades of the fight of 2000 over Florida looming in everyone's minds). Before Kerry conceded the next day, a CNN poll showed that 87% of people thought that Kerry should concede the election and that he had lost fair and square.

I love a good conspiracy, but I am 100% sure in this case that the democrats pulled just as many dirty tricks as the republicans. Did they lose because the republicans were better at the game? Maybe so, but America tends to always reward the one who plays the game better.

I don't hear too many people complaining about not having Kerry's wife as the first lady nowadays either... so I think any complaints over the 2004 election are just sour grapes that haven't made it into the trash yet.


reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 10:55 AM by SkipShipman
Yup, it has been such as professional wrestling only nowadays they are in your face with the total mendacity of it all. Yeah so the Destroyer won over Megadeath. They are both the same agenda like shark's teeth, the only thing is the two parties did not even make a pretense of authenticity.

A generation and more ago the Kennedy-Nixon contest favored the "kingmaker's choice." They took JFK but he was just a bit too authentic after the election. At least they discussed sensible statistics and actual economics.

In today's political process there are too few comparisons of actual statistics, whereas they have been distorted. Instead you get more tabloid rubbish and ad hominem attacks, which were always there before, except it is blatant, stupid, and an insult to everyone's intelligence. The worst part is the people know it and still applaud these train wrecks.

I do not know how anyone in congress and any branch of government can sleep at night, but certainly with rare exceptions, no substantive issues are conversed either in campaigns nor in the basic kleptocratic sessions of draconian laws. It is a wonder things are going basically as good as things seem to be. Perhaps the wealth of the United States is so immense it can handle it, but the entire question centers upon sustainability. How long can you go about your business while the Huns and Robber Barons relentlessly setup their direction towards feudalism?

In the end run of all this when people do not know their rights they do not exercise them, and others assert what was once the province of a great nation.

Voting machines are just an extreme example of what has been happening for years.

[edit on 27-7-2005 by SkipShipman]


reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 10:55 AM by Bout Time

Democrats are complicit in this folks, make no mistake. A Senator or Representative or a Party Chair can garner press coverage with a phone call - why have the drums stopped beating ( with some, they never started) into investigating these things? Right now, the Democrat power elite are playing the role of Generalisimo Franco, the Bush Cabal Neocons are the Luftwaffe, and we are the citizens of Guernica.


Aah, those "Leading Democrats", hey Thomas?
If I was too abstract with the above: The Franco regime, as a way to placate the steam roller that was Hitler's war machine, willfully & intentionally offered up their citizens for death & destruction by allowing a live "scorched earth" blitzkreig practice on the mountain town of Guernica - killing man, woman, child & livestock.
The "Leading Democrats" are no different from the Franco regime.
The "sour Grapes" analogy is just so asinine.
By virtue of multiple sources & multiple occurrences, what DOES NOT warrant a full vetting? Who's talking about overturning the vote?

Another question: if you acknowledge "dirty tricks" & vote tampering, how do you , in good concious, want that left undisclosed!?!

People complain about a "lack of choice". They bemoan "the two party system". Yet, faced with solid proof of something worth investigating that would signify illegalites & colusion by the GOP & Dems, people will default to drivel about sour grapes & the 'republic'?
How the HELL DO YOU EXPECT viable third parties to break the strangle hold the the GOP & Dems have on the process!?!?! Or for the remaining stalwarts who put country before party & power, to bring the 'bad cops' to justice?

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