thank you for the 'welcome', i have enjoyed reading (and now participating)- i've randomly popped in all over the board, but haven't found one
particular place that i prefer over another- big big forum here and so much to see!! really glad to be here!
so back to topic...
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
The judicial system and courts of law in the land I live do not always agree with this statement. One's mental health as determined by professionals
may even decide one is exempt from participating in thier own defense.
ah, but let's not forget the instances where, when faced with a lighter sentence, a guilty party might attempt to use 'professional' opinion
regarding the state of their mental health to their advantage. for the sake of the original topic, let us assume it is not a crime or indiscretion
serious enough to warrant the judicial system or mental evaluations, but everyday, general or overall 'bad behavior'. is that acceptable?
And yet, I have witnessed numerous times womens' behaviors and actions being excused and justified by chemical imbalances due to menstral cycles, and
the effects the imbalances have on the process of rational thought, ie. behaviors and actions that were against what is usually tolerated in the
let's consider that 'bad' or irrational behavior within the workplace was severe enough to threaten the individual's job (ie. their personal
security) wouldn't it then be to their benefit to maintain that this is a medical condition over which they have no control? if they can sustain the
belief that they are not responsible for their actions (it was my hormones/mental condition/medical condition) then LEGALLY it puts an employer in a
precarious position and may leave 'boss' open for discrimination suits, or accusations of unlawful termination, etc. (in the event that the
behavior led to disciplinary action or job loss.) again, assuming that we are speaking only of reasonably sound individuals, and attempting to discern
whether men are biologically predisposed to display more bad behavior than women, perhaps this illustration shows that women are just as susceptible
to establishing excuses for their own behavior as men. (not to insinuate that valid medical conditions which affect behavior do not exist, but again,
assuming we are speaking only of the reasonably sound average joe or jane who isn't very nice.)
How are we learning?
Association to what?
i'll broaden that thought. we are learning through our words, actions, deeds...
we may come to associate
a certain 'action' to certain 'reactions' from others.
if another reacts favorably, we might find that we begin to express with more frequency the characteristic which garners this type of response in an
attempt to continue receiving positive feedback from others.
conversely, a negative reaction may deter us from repeating the behavior because we have discovered it meets with disapproval.
this partially ties into my note of the statement concerning people who will display different behaviors in varying social settings, i assume that the
person has been quick to observe that what is acceptable in one social environment may not be acceptable in another.
if a person has a far greater need for acceptance from their peers than another possibly participating in similar behavior, wouldn't the person who
needs to feel accepted learn
to modify their behaviors based on the associations they form involving other people's approval or disapproval?
could we then assume that a person that displays socially unacceptable behavior was limited based strictly on their gender? or is it possible that
their culture, background or social interaction had an affect on their limitations?
we only integrate new information if it can attach to pre-existing truths that have been accepted by the individual as fact.
"The law of association"
i'd be interested in reading more about this... is this an actual 'law'? is the 'law of association' some sort of accepted scientific method of
describing behavior? i'm having difficulty seeing the process of 'integrating new information' as something limited
to our acceptance of
previous information... the process of living throws us new curve balls all the time, and, at least in my experience, it seems at times that there is
no prior truth or fact on which to attach or build.
The law of association by contiguity is as follows: "If a person experiences two environmental events (stimuli) at the same time or one right
after the other (contiguously), those events will become associated in the person's mind, such that the thought of one will, in the future, tend to
elicit the thought of the other" (Gray, 1999, p. 104).
the above is the only thing i've found that is even remotely related... this may not have been your intent in referencing 'the law of
association'... did you expound on this in previous posts? if so, no worries- i'll go back and read again....
How much of what you have experienced can you readily recall at will?
Do you believe knowledge of all you have experienced does not reside in memory form within your mind, or are those experiences simply suppressed?
trick question!! trick question! LOL!
i'm an avid writer- so whilst i may not recall all the details of a particular event, a simple flip of the pages and there it all is- the good and
the bad- even the things i've tried to suppress... i have exhibited behavior which i didn't understand at times, but after introspection and an
occasional flip in the old dust collectors, i can say with certainty that my actions, whether i was consciously attempting to avoid similar situations
to those i'd encountered previously or not, were an effort to avoid pain or upset. but can we REALLY assume that recall reaches as far back as the
womb? there are some that think (and i ain't goin' look it up! LOL) that reading to the child before birth, or playing music to an unborn baby has
the ability to increase the infant's intelligence and mental capacity... is this true? uh... i dunno! someone willing to put forth so much effort to
mold a young life will likely be reading and interacting on a more advanced level with their child during their early developmental years-
i guess what i'm trying to point out is that EVERYONE is born, but not everyone develops in the same way to exhibit identical behavioral tendencies-
therefore, i would think it nearly impossible to consider fear or pain experienced at birth as a factor contributing to today's thoughts and
But, if people (individuals) simply cannot process that their actions and behaviours are unacceptable because of the way they integrate and catalogue
their environment, what needs to change ... if not the way they think?
I try to limit the amount of how many times I admit I'm wrong to no more than 3 times per day, as I am fearful of the detrimental effects it may have
on how others view me, and my reputation.
LOL again!! ok, ok... yeah, we are all guilty of self-preservation! but i'd rather others find out from ME that i ain't perfect than figure it out
for themselves!! (may as well get one in for the day... not perfect, nope.... not me!) seriously though, i would rather admit a fault, apologize and
get through an awkward situation immediately rather than put it off... two weeks later it might not be a good idea to bring it up again- or 'the
opportunity has passed'. i wouldn't consider someone else a 'bad person' if they don't uphold the same standard, though, but it communcates much
to me about what kind of person they are if they do.
Would I choose to spend more time out of respect with the one who knows, or the one who is learning?
we're all learning- and are all blessed with different abilities, capacities, and levels of understanding- some may discover satisfaction in working
with others with different understanding than their own- others may not have the patience required... we may align ourselves with folk making better
decisions than we are in order to gain some of their knowledge and improve ourselves, or hang with underachievers so we won't feel inadequate.... the
answer to that question, i don't have.... it's whatever makes us happy- and no one else can decide that on our behalf...
i appreciate your taking the time to answer and discuss all the opinion i've thrown out in this topic- these are simply my thoughts and observations
without any expertise in psychology or human behavior... i have to admit, this has been very thought provoking- please continue! i've been enjoying
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