Women, here it is: What's Wrong With Men, page 4


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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 01:02 PM by orangetom1999
I drink very little..watch no sports...little television, like the company of women better than men..yet have little use for most women ..or even most men in the socialization arena.

I dont leave the toilet seat up..though I am not sure why the default setting is down and women are so helpless they cannot put it down. I think a man who cant aim is useless. Same with a man or woman who cannot pick up after themselves or wipe the toilet seat or rim clean.

I am not into "virgins" or women who cannot support themselves,their children, or take care of problems themselves as a career and always need "rescuing/drama".

I am not into how many women a man has in his "stable" either. It is horribly overated. Even tacky.

I dont have much use for people who define themselves or philosophys by body functions or glandular levels. Its tacky and provincial male or female.

I dont have use for people who define who and what they are by consumption rates. This means mostly women ...but also today there are alot of men out here who have the same philosophy. These men are women. They will always be competition for women in the consumption arena. Like many women choose men.....these men must choose women who are dumber than they to keep up this lifestyle/philosophy.

I dont believe in the religion of "Girl Stuff" and Girl stuff values..it too is overated and highly consumptive. To me it is tantamount to "air heads" though I also think that many men in the male way are buying into this kind of airheadedness. Maxim/GQ and other periodicals of this genre are evidence of this..it is the male Cosmopolitan for ignorant over glandular unthinking males.

Denial..your post is textbook and thoroughly confirms much of what I believe. It is textbook "Girl Stuff religion" It confirms a religious belief system of men trying out for female approval.

In a time when women are doing so much and multitasking too..men should be able to expect so much more from them than to look pretty and get on their backs or knees..pardon the crudity. This takes no particular talent/skill on the part of women and often passes for commitment. It is not. The main problem with men is that they expect so little from women. A multitasking world leaves men free to expect such from women. You and other women are very fortunate that so many men are totally ignorant and preprogramed by sports conditioning to try out for female approval. I never watch sports for this very reason.

If I want to get rid of a airheaded woman steeped in the "Girl Stuff religion" all I have to do is continually get her to work outside the area of what she considers valuable or the female social arena/entitlement. Most will quickly leave or try to get me switched over to their agendas. It is too much commitment for most of them and it is mostly predictable. If they want to stick around the only tool most of them have is traditional "Girl stuff values/sex/ beauty principles. Anything else would take real commitment. Most will avoid this..this is why they need men..to make up for this lack of commitment in a multitasking world.

Never....Never do they question their value sytem enough to give me what I consider valuable in life. They expect me by some subtilty ..to adopt thier value system in lieu of mine. Almost to a tee..they look at me and what I own and think of what they can get for themselves and their children ..not what they need to bring and or continually maintain for me.

I am not intrested in any male or female version of Male Disposability. Most men I know are totally ignorant of this philosophy as it is promoted in this highly consumptive social structure. It is a phoney. Men need to wise up to this philosophy..of which they are so socially ignorant. Not likely any time soon. I just had this conversation about male disposability with a co worker last night. He had never thought in this arena. He just thought that this is what men are supposed to do. Talk about ignorance or being uninformed.

I dont give free passes for your kind of posts. It is below the decency line and very self centered...just like the "girl stuff " religion. Tacky.

Thanks,
Orangetom






EDIT: Edited by the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Paragraphs.

[edit on 30-9-2005 by Gazrok]


reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 02:52 PM by denial28
seriously DUDE!!! Want to go to a yankees game or something? I'll buy you a beer
Allow me to digress my immaturity in my last post, as I do believe this is titled, "Women here it is- Whats wrong with men?" As I felt inclined to offer moral support for one of my brokenhearted, estrogenesque, comrades, as most women do. You find solace in appearing to be "above the norm for male standards" . Since you made it abundantly clear to demographically stereotype me, I shall give you YOUR analysis.

I really don't buy into the logic that you believe that my post is typical girlie religious stuff, No offense, but most of my friends have always been the male species. If you had a clue about women, you would realize we are quick witted(most), and enjoy cracking fart jokes, poop jokes, sex jokes and the likes, just as secretly you do too."( AMAZING, ALL That AND we give BIRTH too!)
" That" pull my finger" one gets me everytime, and you do have to admit, the vapor lock comment had you rolling!

There is a word for you my friend, it is called "Metrosexual" Allow me to define based on consensus. A "metrosexual" is a new trend of males pretending to be appalled by their male counterparts cro magnon behavior, simply as a ploy to get chicks. The "Metro" will usually belittle sterotypical
Testerone driven male counterparts to gain favor of the ladies, to go so far as to even sign up for the latest local womens lib rally.

They are known to be great afficianados of indie films, Riverdance, the local waxing parlor, tanning salon, and LLBean, and Ralph Lauren. Instead of killing their plants, they usually have the latin names memorized, and your idea of foreplay is foie gras, served on rye crisps, a good merlot, followed by Pan seared Duck in blood orange sauce, and perhaps a nice creme brulee followed by a nice snifter of louis the 13th, for all who don't know its cognac at 1200 a bottle...

"I drink very little..watch no sports...little television, like the company of women better than men..yet have little use for most women ..or even most men in the socialization arena. "

Stop trying to score brownie points as a ploy to get boned.
Have a beer on me, or if your lifestyle prefers, a nice Lindemanns Frambois


reply posted on 1-10-2005 @ 01:00 PM by orangetom1999
Thanks for your post and the offer of a Yankees game and a beer. The offer is appreciated but I'd rather spend my time at Books a Million or Barnes and Noble with a cup of coffee amaretto.
I do enjoy the occasional beer but usually with one of those great hebrew sandwichs from the local deli. Two is about my limit. Now I will admit I tend to sit long at the wine. sometimes to my detriment.

By the way ..I agree with you that most women are quick witted...much more than most men...no problem with this.
As to gaining favor with the ladies..that is not a difficult goal to accomplish and it does little in this format. You should already know this.
Metrosexual is a new term to me..I am not familiar with it nor am I much familiar with that fashion line you posted though I know what Riverdance is. The woman I am seeing wanted me to take her to see it but I couldnt make the schedule. We settled for a musical titled " Always Patsy" about Patsy Cline. I dont like musicals but it turned out to be very enjoyable.
Also I dont know what a indie film is. Not up to speed on that one.
Tanning salons..no thanks. I work in a nuclear reactor..no problem if I need to get tanned. I work graveyard shift...night creature here. Soon to be transfered to the swing shift. Day shift..no thanks..not intrested. I love the night!!!!
As to testosterone..it gets tiring after awhile. Very overdone and overated to me just like alot of Girl stuff religion. When you realize what a subculture it has become complete with merchandizing ..to keep one on this string it loses appeal quickly. Keep in mind that I work mostly with men..and when one sees the conversations mostly being one dimensional ...sports/sex/ stereos/computers et al...well I think you get the point.
I am happy for you that most of your friends are males. No problem with such here.
However I am curious about something I noticed and if I may enter into a personal point..dont answer if it is to personal..do you find that you are often frowned upon by women who see you as competitive or a threat???It is just something I have run across in others.
As to getting "boned" that is not a problem either. It is not my main goal in life. Getting access to the opposite sex is not difficult. No "Oil Shortage here. Peace is the difficult commodity to find from a woman. Piece is not.
Being so well rounded and knowlegable you should know this too. I just dont see it in your posts. Nor do I see this concept from most of the men to whom I speak. It is foreign to them. I am often given to wonder if this is why so many settle for sports. To escape the lack of peace in thier lives.

Thanks Denial,
Orangetom



seriously DUDE!!! Want to go to a yankees game or something? I'll buy you a beer
Allow me to digress my immaturity in my last post, as I do believe this is titled, "Women here it is- Whats wrong with men?" As I felt inclined to offer moral support for one of my brokenhearted, estrogenesque, comrades, as most women do. You find solace in appearing to be "above the norm for male standards" . Since you made it abundantly clear to demographically stereotype me, I shall give you YOUR analysis.

I really don't buy into the logic that you believe that my post is typical girlie religious stuff, No offense, but most of my friends have always been the male species. If you had a clue about women, you would realize we are quick witted(most), and enjoy cracking fart jokes, poop jokes, sex jokes and the likes, just as secretly you do too."( AMAZING, ALL That AND we give BIRTH too!)
" That" pull my finger" one gets me everytime, and you do have to admit, the vapor lock comment had you rolling!

There is a word for you my friend, it is called "Metrosexual" Allow me to define based on consensus. A "metrosexual" is a new trend of males pretending to be appalled by their male counterparts cro magnon behavior, simply as a ploy to get chicks. The "Metro" will usually belittle sterotypical
Testerone driven male counterparts to gain favor of the ladies, to go so far as to even sign up for the latest local womens lib rally.

They are known to be great afficianados of indie films, Riverdance, the local waxing parlor, tanning salon, and LLBean, and Ralph Lauren. Instead of killing their plants, they usually have the latin names memorized, and your idea of foreplay is foie gras, served on rye crisps, a good merlot, followed by Pan seared Duck in blood orange sauce, and perhaps a nice creme brulee followed by a nice snifter of louis the 13th, for all who don't know its cognac at 1200 a bottle...

"I drink very little..watch no sports...little television, like the company of women better than men..yet have little use for most women ..or even most men in the socialization arena. "

Stop trying to score brownie points as a ploy to get boned.
Have a beer on me, or if your lifestyle prefers, a nice Lindemanns Frambois


reply posted on 1-10-2005 @ 04:01 PM by denial28
do you find that you are often frowned upon by women who see you as competitive or a threat???


Absolutely, I cannot keep "girlfriends", because they are always worried about me trying to move into their territory, I have never dated a guy that has even remotely been involved with a friend even after it's done . I look at them as forbidden territory, and I realize there are other fish in the sea.

I get along very easily men, I was in the ARMY for 8 years,and have no brothers, my father taught me all the things he would have passed onto a son, being I was the eldest of 3 girls.I have common knoweledge and interests with more men than I do ladies. Most women take having a buddy conversation about rebuilding a carberator equates to getting in the sack with someone. They dont look at it as just having a beer.

Most men as teenage boys, blew stuff up, and played with transformers, therefore the fact that I have handled live grenades, played football in 3rd grade(because I wasn't "cute" enough to handle cheerleading)poured the foundation on a house, know how to work with pneumatic tools, etc.. usually fascinates the beejeezus out of them. Hey I was even scouted for the WPFL for a quarterback position on the New England Storm, but tore my ACL.

When I was younger, my parents tried to turn me into the ultimate girl,I was always given things like barbies(which my dog gladly ate and disposed of), dollhouses , I wanted the football and chemistry set. When I was given a tastybake oven, and a microscope, I made my dinky little cake, while viewing slides of my hair at 100x magnification, my parents also instilled the importance of marrying a rich guy.. Ha!Mom and Dad.

I was exposed to 5 years of ballet, etiqette classes, gymnastics, tap, and jazz, I rebelled, both of my sisters are typical girlies, that also rely heavily on thier hubbys for their existance, ie my one sister owns 2 houses but only because her hubby works 3 jobs to support her. (which I feel bad for him because he's a really good guyI on the other hand take comfort in knowing that if my sink breaks, I'll repair it myself, I am truly self sufficient down to the mechanics of my car.

Unlike popular belief, most men are deep creatures, just as women.
( Men do have the basic fears ingrained in their self, as do women,) but when you mix fear times testosterone, you usually end up with instinctual agression.(passive or otherwise)Observe any male, and when he's told something that instills sorrow, the first instinct is usually to punch something.

I do believe chivalry went out the window, but I also think women's lib has taken too drastic an approach, I wanted to be the first female green beret, (my dad was one, and I wanted to make him proud) But at the time there was another female who had the rank to try out, she realized it was too hard, and quit. Same thing from the girl at the Citadel. Thanks alot, only makes alot of men say "Gee, we told you women can't do this"

So many women fight for equal rights, get them, and then ruin it for the ones, who are happy being recognized for the fact that we are beyond cooking cleaning and birthing.
Ie we wanted to get equal rights in the workplace, ok, but why complain about jokes about breast size in a male dominated office. We can never really have equal rights, as long as there are lascivious and frivolous lawsuits for sexual harrassment, because of
sex related remarks.

Both sides need to come to grips and realize that. If someone talking about their penis size starts making you uncomfortable, tell them all about the circumcision video you watched on discovery the other night, trust me they wont mention their willies around you anymore.

Maybe I'm thicker skinned, than most people, I'm not exactly what you would say unattractive, I'm slender, and petite, I also tended bar not too long ago while I was launching my company. The comments I, as well as any other female tender, received, were enough to make your ears bleed. You respond by simply cutting off the booze, and then having them forcibly removed.

I too think that the market for things stating such as "Girl Power" have been completely misconstrued, and tiresome, in their interpretation, it is ok for a little battle of the sexes, but to devoid all men of their basic instincts, and rights, IE provider, hunter, gatherer, procreator, has been translated to "I will not let you provide me with the necessities of survival, because you are trying to say I can't do anything" We have basically turned ourselves into emasculators, in the psychological sense.

The only thing I see wrong with men, is the fact that we women, have taken away their rightful place to be chivalrous. Most men are now afraid to do things like pay, for fear of having it thrown up in their faces, being accused of being a sexist pig because they are assuming the woman can't handle the bill. Their nature is to reproduce, and carry forth good genetics, so their heritage may continue. Many men raised to be "gentlemen" Are ostracised by their female counterparts.

Upon the arrival of a womans right to choose, many men lost their right at procreation, I am not saying that a womans right to choose is a bad thing, as I like control over my body, but women, who don't say a word about choosing to do something, that is wrong. This doesn't count in extreme circumstances such as rape, or forcible pregnancies,after all he didn't consider your feelings.

To make it short, a buddy of mine was informed by his ex-wife, that she was pregnant with his twins, he was eccstastic, that there was a possibility of them reconcilling, that he would be able to not only be a part of his 4 year olds life, he would be a new father.

She called him a week later to say that she miscarried, needless to say he was DEVISTATED. About a month after that, she admitted to him she had the pregnancy terminated, because she didn't feel like going through with it. He is now a raging alcoholic, and noone has heard or seen from him in 2 weeks. Were getting very worried. She should be shot.

The problem with trying to find peace, coexists in your very spiritual nature, unless you take an objective approach, you will never find peace. Most women are ingrained for empathy, while men are problem solvers. Men are very logical and basic in their thoughts, and because we women have so many emotions, we tend to talk in riddles.

IE For women, I want a glass of water equates to please sypathize with my thirst, and ask what you can do. When Men say I want a glass of water, that equates to please get me a glass of water. They know what its like to be thirsty, so thereofre no need to waste time sympathizing.When men learn how to read between the lines, then women will stop speaking in riddles. And there will be peace.

Hope Ive clarified some...

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