It is harder to do this when the first post on the thread is mason baiting.
What is there to discuss? Some believe that masons and OTO and all secret societies are a huge conspiracy involving child molestation, murder, and
Others believe that masons are nothing but what they say they are, a charitable fraternity.
There is no common ground between these positions.
Anyone can take a website, copy and paste it and call it research.
Heres my link for the true mason conspiracy.
A Priest, no babylonian or egyptian connection?
Mt Zion or Sinai!
Wow great link! Great explanation of the first 3 degrees! Thank you for adding to this thread! Oh and I aren’t baiting but perhaps I can agree to
being a victim of anti mason baiting made by the Free Masons, some 6th month ago!
I don’t say that you are satanic! Or child molesters and masonry as a group cant be said to be murderers, but I am sure that some masons have
committed murder and many other not so fine things!
The thing I would like to talk about is the Babylonian and Egyptian and Sumerian connection, and the Free Mason’s connection in stories and
symbolism to these ancient lands and mystery schools!
There are 1 repeat it ONE link in my article! If you’re going to accuse me of plagiarism provide some PROOF!
Ahh Nygdan! Hail and welcome 8)
I don't understand the point of the opening post
It is an investigation into the connections I talk about above! As I also have said I can’t prove there is a higher echelon or that the free masons
are as old as I claim! I can however say that in their stories and through obsessive use of symbols they are somehow connected!
Christianity isn't a simple copy of paganistic myths, and the resemblances between the christ passion and other dying-hero myths is often over
Now I don’t mean to dissect you text Nygdan, but I would like to answer your questions, to the best of my ability! So that is the reason I’m doing
it this way, I have heard some one say to me that excessive quoting is not favoured in this community 8p.
All that I say in resemblance to Christ is that;
1: He is fitting fine into all the other trinity stories I have provided!
2: He is the son of god a.k.a. The son of the SUN, (but this is only theori)
3: He’s mother were also a virgin like Semiramis and Isis etc.
4: The resurrection part is very much alike all the others as explained!
5: He dies for our sins as does Tammuz.
6: Also he’s birthday? C’mon? It was celebrated thousands of years before as the REBIRTH of the SUN!
For reference we can take into account, the Sumerian tablets which is from around 2000 BC. They speak of the "King in the basket", "EDEN" and
"The great flood".
And why does any of it have to do with freemasonry? Are you saying the the mason's were around back then (you seem to, epecially with the 'fasces'
and 'stone-worker' connection, which wasn't very convicining)?
As I have said the connection as I see it; is in the rituals, texts and symbols! And off course not to forget our ancient and current history. The
Free Masonry as an organization wasn’t around back then, but the cult they are in now does originate from the same one! You can actually track these
cults around, on the map, Sumer – Egypt – Babylon – Greece – Rome – France – Holland – England – America – Israel.
And what exactly they managed to stay hidden all this time?
That’s the ancient trick, Hide in plain sight! Secret initiations, secret knowledge get them in deeper and deeper, while you work all their
conceptions into what you want it to be! First as priest kings of Egypt, Sumer and Babylon then as oracles and prophets of Greece and Rome, Jesuits
and Vatican, Royal Bloodlines and more priest, finally as presidents and bankers etc. etc.
How can the symbology of the higher degrees like the Scottish and York rites be considered evidence of the ancient roots of masonry if those degrees
were created in teh 1700s? Isn't it more likely that the people that made those degrees were purposely trying ot appeal to what they know (or at
least what they thought they knew) about the relevance of those religions to esoteric lines of thinking? IOW, not a 'genetic' relationship, not a
continuous system of masonry from ancient times til now?
Because it is the same symbology as they used all the time! But I will give you this; yes it is more likely that they are trying to appeal to what
they know about the relevance of those old religions!
And Free Masonry is just another tool of these people to hide it! IN PLAIN SIGHT!
Also, are not the oldest forms of the legends of the craft the most biblical?
The bible consists of the New Testament and the old! A lot of their stories is about nations before that time the New Testament where written in 300
The skeleton of the story is lifted from the bible even, with King Solomon getting King Hiram to sent a master artificer to help build the temple,
Hiram Abif. Then the appealing story of his murder and return are brought in. But again this is more likely a connection to the jesus passion
directly, since these Constitutions that contain the Legend of the Craft are written by regular pious christian labourers, and aren't, so far as
anyone can show, taken into a more esoteric-philosophical interpretation.
True, it could very well be, and it is a plausible explanation! The true secret could very well be ancient Geometry!
But who taught them this? I believe it to be these ancient cults who made the pyramid and build them all around the world in INDUS VALLEY and AMERICA
etc. it is also an ancient trick to hide a cult within the cult!
So it looks like the origings of freemasonry are really in little more than the masonry unions in northern england, made up of pious christian men.
Later on comes Pythagoras, and then all the 'speculative' stuff during the "revival". And with the admission of antiquarians and historians and
academics like Ashmole and others comes all the esoteric mumbo-jumbo of the higher degress.
Actually the Free Masons can be traced back further! To the Order of St. John, Teutonic Knights, Knights Hospitaller and Knights Templars!
But you could be right Nygdan!
I mean, thats all a lot more sensible than the 6,000 year survival of an underground mystery cult.
It is isn’t it!
[edit on 28-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]