Originally posted by Tassadar
There is no reason to establish this forum.
While I do not wish this to become a little bickering forum of between creationists and evolutionists, it is out of a respect for the truth I must say
God created the world. There is no conspiracy behind it.
I disagree. Things like the Wedge Document clearly indicate that there are people within the creationist movement who are indeed engaged in a
conspiracy. Creationism itself needn't be a conspiracy, but there is a conspiracy that uses creationism. Its just like with our Conspiracies in
Religion forum, not all religion is a conpsiracy, but there have definitly been conspiracies in religion. Just look at the NCSE feeds for the forum
to see the activity of the conspiracy in creationism.
Certainly many organizations seek to use Modern Evolutionary Theory to further their own agenda, but that's not conspiracy, that is merely
deceit.
Who does this??
I've only seen a few threads that came even close to conspiracy
Because there is a conspiracy within creationism, the forum will also discuss the creationism and evolution controversy. ATS is not a science site,
is a conspiracy and weirdness site, so of course the Conspiracy angle is what attracted the attention.
I'm sorry to be so blunt marg, but Christians are not despite what you may say, trying to force our views on others by political means man.
All christians, no, certainly not, you are correct. But there are christians out there who are doing just this.
All of these souls you see up in here fighting off evolution in the name of Jesus are here because they don't want to see you hurt for your
sins.
Accepting that evolution occurs is hardly a sin. Its no more a sin that recognizing that matter is composed of atoms or that gravity is what puts the
heavens in motion. Recognizing science is not sin. Even the apostle Thomas, a saint for god, had to see the wounds in jesus firsthand.
sided with Biblical creation is there has never been any legitimate reason not to believe a word the Bible says.
What does that have to do with it? The creationist movement states that 'creationism' is a
scientific theory and that it should be taught in
science classes, that creationist researchers shoudl receive science grants and that 'creationist research organizations' should receive scientific
endowments. The creationist movement that is engaged in a conspiracy here is saying that
god is limited by
science, and that indeed
science can 'trap' god, so to speak, and that his existence can be proven or disproven scientifically. Its a position of very weak faith to say "i
need to find scientific evidence of the flood, the garden," etc etc.
Now don't start attacking Scriptures you bloodthirsty fools,
What do the scriptures say about calling other christians fools? Most people who understand that evolution is an acceptable and well supported
scientific theory are....christians.
This forum is mererly being used as a slaughterhouse for Christianity.
If you beleive this, then why participate? By participating you are presenting your ideas up for critical examination by everyone else who happens
along here. Its silly to complain that people are critical of your beleifs when you are the one who has presented them. Thats all that this forum is
doing, there's an interest amoung the ATS community to discuss creationism and evolution, and a recognition that there is infact a political
conspiracy to replace science education with faith-based creationism. What more is needed to warrant a forum here? Nothing.
Now if it were use for "conspiracies in orgins" as I would have hoped it had been established for, we would see more threads on how history is and
has been re-written or erased from us.
Creationism
is a re-writing of history and nature.
And, on a side note, this forum itself has seen an aspect, tho a less organized one, of the creationist conspiracy at work. Since it started, there
have been numerous 'posters' pretending to want to discuss the issues, but in reality their actions reveal that they are just mindlessly mouthing
propaganda from the more organized wider creationist movement, indeed, they follow the standard technique of the creationist conspiracy and propagate
its literature uncritically.
Thats a small, self organizing aspect of the conspiracy. We've also had a number of people come here, be
revealed for what they are, get banned, and then try to come back agian, each time unsuccessfuly. Its not evolutionists that are doing this, its
creationists (not all creationists obviously). These individuals are without scruples and unethical deceivers, who try to acheive some vague 'goal'
of promoting their faith thru lies, deception, and dishonesty.
Thats conspiratorial, and the activities of the organizers of the creationist
movement are also conspiratorial. True enough, we permit discussion of the merits of creationism and the merits of evolution and consideration of the
evidences for either
along with direct discussions of the conpsiracy, which is a smaller (tho not a small) aspect of the creationism-evolution
controversy, but why shouldn't we permit open and honest discussion of the subject?
