Atlantis: resources and topics

To anyone who is interested in learning more about Atlantis, for the purpose of debunking or research, I highly recommend Graham Hancock's Finger of the Gods. It will provide irrefutable evidence of an ancient and highly advanced civilization lost to history. Whether it's Atlantis or not is completely up to you. But there is NO doubt that this civilization existed.

atlantis could be in the azore region but it probably isnt recognizable now, even with underwater imaging, it probably was total redecorated is what common history calls the flood, cataclysm, deluge. what could have cause such a event, if one assume an outside source, that could be a star, or meteor, asteroid.
we think that africa and america were together at one point. they fit like a puzzel, right?

how did they get so many mile apart, whatever started this shift, must be big, or a slow moving thing over a long time. if they the continents are seperating at 2 inches a year, it would take million of year for that alone to seperate the land to where it is today.

something like a rock hitting the earth would speed this movent up. the rock would have to hit somehwere in between africa and america.
so lookk at a map and what will you find that resemble a rock hitting the earth in tha region,
i leave no time for answering that question, take my answer. the gulf of mexico. it is like a perfect fist punched in that land. from the south tip of florida to the cuba region to the north tip of the yucatan in mexico where cancun is located, it closes the big circle around the gulf. recent underwater imaging had show a rock did punch that area and its mark is in the texas side of the gulf.

www.astronomy.com...

so we know what could of started the movement of the continents, did it move the atlantiens i dont know, but i know that there land in the atlantic is supper vulnerable to earthquakes. i am from one of the azore island, i dont live there now but i visit periodically. it is common knowledge today to those living on the island, that they live on a ticking time bomb so to speak, the live daily with tremmors, and it is a way of life, to experience the ground shaking daily is not what i live or go through here in toronto, furthermore, the atlantianes could have had bad luck and be on the continent of atlantis at a bad time. and probably not living on the tip tops of the mountain range where im from, they probably lived on lower levels which had more space to cultivate for a mass population. lower levels which are not around now.

two more coincidence that need to be factored in. why are there now, due to recent discovery in bosnia, two identical pyramids just done on different scales, one much larger then the other. these two pyramids are the Mayan chichen itza pyramids, and the bosnian pyramid of the sun only recently discoverd under much soil grass and trees. this bosnian pyramid is now the largest in the world, taller then Giza pyramid of eygpt.

www.nationalufocenter.com...

to understand atlantis you have to think big and long time ago when nothing was like it is now, nothing was like history tell of 2000 years ago. now was like nothing because your talking so long ago 10 000 plus more years ago,

what do people think of a race that went east and west and created what you see in eurpoe egypt and the americas, haveing origined in the middle of them all would put them in the atlantic.





i would love to dicuss more about this topic all responses welcome, please add or fix my story with fact you know that fit

Mrr? I wrote 90 pages on the topic for private research. I'm surprised that Ignatius Donnelly (US Senator and author of Atlantis the Antediluvian World, a classic) didn't really come up. And Madam Blavatsky. Having read through Plato's Timaeus and Critias a good ten times, I came to the conclusion that it was more fictional that scientific, and that his Atlantis may have been based on the real thing, but he adapted it to fit his ideals that he mentioned in The Republic, as an example.

I also found major connections in my research with the Egyptian flood myth. Here I point to another good source called The Orion Prophecy. At first it seems like another 2012 book, but it contains some excellent resources on the Egyptian flood. The theory is recorded (supposedly) in Egyptian hieroglyphics which state that Egyptians were originally Atlanteans who were warned of the flood and fled to Egypt on a sun ship, where the surviving royalty was buried in the pyramids as well as the ships (which explains the random wooden ships which have been found in that general area)

Another theory that I discovered was the Lemuria theory, which is what Donnelly focused on. In this theory the first evolution of man took place on the island of Lemuria. The men from here broke off into the Atlanteans as well as other root races. For more information, consult “The Lost Lemuria” by W. Scott Elliot, 1904. It focuses on the evolution of man and language and how it ties into lost continent theories. It's actually quite worth reading. Elliot also wrote "The Story of Atlantis" which I also highly recommend. I also suggest looking up the Drayson theory

has anyone ever brought up the expanding earth theories in regards to atlantis? If this was the case. Atlantis would actually be spread out throughout the atlantic, if it happened to originally be based in or near the azores prior to the last spreading effect. This would explain the ruins on the azores, and the ruins in the caribean. put them together, lower the sea level, make the earth smaller, and it very well could have been an interesting tribe.

just a thought.

Camain

Yes, that is part of the continental drift/migration theory. Expanding Earth would just be the cause for the tectonic shifting. It is commonly accepted in the community of Atlantologists that continental migration did have some effect either on finding Atlantis today, or on its actual demise.

Hey, guys. Well i have always been interested in Atlantis and i often do research about it. I was going to start a new thread but luckily i spotted this one first eh? lol.

Any way i came across this video on Youtube, it's six months old and it's
The History Channel - Lost Worlds - Atlantis.

It talks about a massive palace that was found under volcanic ash and it's pretty well preserved and a lot of its features pre-date Egyptian/Greek archiology by about 1000 years. I'm sorry if anybody has already seen this or posted it. I did do a search with relative search words but didn't find anything. It's certainly an interesting thing to watch but it's up to you

As always i am not going to sit back and say
"YEP! That's Alantis!"

I have never done that, i read theories and speculation mainly and try to peice my research together.

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Three years later and people are still posting "news" about atlantis and this thread fails to grow!

I wonder if they are reading or researching the threads linked in this thread.. perhaps someone on ATS with more freetime should compile a document and post it in the thread; granted we will discover some ruined civilizations under the sea, but they won't be "atlantis" in the way that our philosopher friend talked about it in his STORIES !

Maybe the word Atlantis can be changed to mean "lost section of land once inhabited by people and found under water later due to tectonic shifts and other natural disasters"

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Umm you guys still haven't figured it out have you?

Well I don't blame you most the Catholic churches have turned most of you into athiests but the old Atlantis is nothing more than Babylon and the NEW Atlantis everyone is talking about is nothing more than the Whore of Babylon.

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I saw thru this pagan mysticism story years ago when I discovered the one who authored this story Plato was a pantheist, similar to the Bacon guy who really WROTE the Shakespeare plays which has hidden symbols and teachings of Christianity and the Rosicrucian order.

Both of those characters are nothing more than scholars amongst the beast who are full of crap like your modern day Dan Winters LOL they can't explain anything if you ask them considering negative energy or things we see as evil in this world like Satanism,Masons,murders,rapists all that crap they try and make everything sound sugar coated plain and simple.


You guys need Yah-weh, bad.


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Has there been a thorough exploration of the Canary Islands, the Azores, and the Bahamas for signs of Atlantis? I'm under the impression that these were the mountaintops of Atlantis when it was a vast continent that fragmented into island continents.

Since a website like this can never have enough Atlantis theories, here’s a new offering which proposes South America’s Mesopotamian Plain as the rectangular plain of Atlantis.

Atlantis: The Land Beyond The Pillars



Not only is [color=yellow]Argentina's Mesopotamian Plain the only sizable rectangular plain in the world defined by waterways on all four sides[/color] in accordance with Solon's description, its perimeter is only 50 miles off from the stated 1,150-miles, or 10,000 stadia. Further, the plain lies in the center of the continent, is oriented with its narrower width extending from the coast inland, is surrounded by mountains on three sides, but open toward the south, and lies within 14.5 miles of the sea, all per Solon's specifications.

[color=yellow]Here's a more complete list of Solon’s geographical specifications this theory meets:[/color]

1. A continent-sized island (South American 'nesos')

2. Opposite the Pillars of Hercules (The Strait of Gibraltar) and

3. Located in the Atlantic Ocean with

4. Associated islands (the Caribbean Islands)

5. Forming a distinct path to a continent (North America) at the opposite end.

6. Having a lofty precipitous coastline (South America's Brazilian Highlands) transitioning to

7. A flat even rectangular plain (Argentina's Mesopotamian Plain)

8. Located at the center of the island (center of South American 'nesos')

9. Within 14.5-miles of the sea that is

10. Delineated on all four sides by channels of water (the Parana and Uruguay rivers) with

11. A perimeter of approximately 10,000 stadia (10,455 stadia or 1,200 miles actual. Only 50 miles longer than the specified 10,000 stadia or 1,150 miles.) and

12. Oriented with its narrower width extending from the coast inland, and also having

13. A climate conducive to biannual harvests.

14. Pocketed in by mountains to the west (Andes), north, and east (Brazilian Highlands), but open toward the sea in the south with

15. River ways from the surrounding mountain ranges feeding the rivers that flow around the plain, converge, and then empty into the sea in the south. (Rio Pilcomayo, Rio Bermejo, Rio Salado and Rio Dulce flowing down from the Andes in the west. The Parana and Uruguay Rivers dropping down onto the plain from the Brazilian Highlands in the north and the Rio Ibicui, Rio Arapey Grande, and Rio Queguay sourced from smaller mountains in the east, to name just a few.)

[color=yellow]
There also exists a lone circular landform positioned per Solon's specifications between plain and sea which conforms closely with the diameter of Atlantis' capital city: [/color]



As to why this Atlantis continent is not resting beneath the sea, Solon believed that Europe, Asia and Libya were encircled by Oceanus. This may have compelled him to reconcile the sinking of an island in a delta to the sinking of the entire island continent in order to conform to his belief that no such landform breached the surface of Oceanus.

The Egyptian account of a larger continent opposite a path of islands, which is a very accurate description of North America lying opposite the Caribbean Islands, Solon was able to reconcile to the land believed surrounding Oceanus.




-Doug

might be a stretch to assume river boundries constitute a "coastline"...and not sure if being off 50 miles in size is just a tad...

It is interesting (and well-assembled) data, but so far, my money is still on the Altiplano region of Bolivia.

Hello Gazrok,

Sorry for the confusion, the above list is fairly condensed and tends to run together a bit. The “coastline” reference applies to the country of Atlantis and not the plain within. According to Plato's dialogues:



The significance of this description is that it would mirror the description of the South American continent for someone sailing out from the Mediterranean. The most efficient sea route from the Mediterranean to South America's Rio de la Plata—the location of the actual rectangular plain—would have mirrored Magellan's voyage (See image below). Hence, a description of the continent to an ancient Egyptian might be thus:






There are a few things to consider here. First of all, Solon states the measurement for the plain's perimeter at 10,000 stadia. If he had stated 10,100 stadia, then the Mesopotamia Plain measuring in at around 10,436 stadia might be a problem... might not. However, the fact that the specified measurement has zeroes in the hundreds position on down suggests that he is likely rounding to the nearest thousand and he appears to do similarly when stating the sides of the plain at 2,000 and 3,000 stadia. If this is the case then his estimation is within a margin of 4% accuracy. Now consider that someone tells us that there is a town 50 miles down the road when it is actually 48. This is the same 4% margin and I think many would categorize it as being only a 'tad' off.

The next thing to consider is the fact that there are no other rectangular plains in the world at even a quarter of Mesopotamia's size which are defined on all four sides by water. In this regard, if someone casually assigned us the task of locating a rectangular plain on the globe that is defined on all four sides by 1,200 miles of waterway, would we dismiss the only one that even approaches it in size because it actually has a perimeter of about 1,150 miles?







If Argentina's Mesopotamian Plain is the Atlantis Plain, then the Altiplano region would likely have been included among the surrounding mountains that supplied goods via waterways down to the plain, around the plain, and to the sea.

-Doug

i looked at the world map backdrop on jon sterwart's daily show on comedy central and saw how much the western/pacific coastline of both north and south american continents form the profile view of a primate, a chimp or gorilla.

i formulated a question:

what is the statistical probability of north and south america's pacific coastline forming the profile of the dominant species on the planet without any intelligent intervention whatsoever?

and what variables would one plug into what equasion to determine such odds?

i'd like a response on this matter from glenn beck, but ill read anyone elses response as well.

why not start a new thread about this? not a member long enough to start a thread.

Allow me to share with you what the Rosicrucians believe about the location of Atlantis:

They believe Atlantis lies at the Equator as shown by the following map made by Athanasius Kircher (a practicing alchemist and alleged Rosicrucian).



The location of Atlantis along the Equator was confirmed much earlier in 1602 by the Italian Dominican philosopher and alchemist Tommaso Campanella, in his philosophical work The City of the Sun.

It is presented as a dialogue between a Grandmaster of the Knights Hospitaller and a Genoese Sea-Captain who discovered a magical city. Inspired by Plato's Republic and the description of Atlantis in Timaeus, it describes a theocratic society where goods, women and children are held in common. This “City” was located along the Equator.

In 1634, a conspiracy in Calabria, led by one of Campanella’s followers, threatened troubles for the Dominican philosopher. With the aid of Cardinal Barberini and the French Ambassador de Noailles, Tommaso Campanella fled to France, where he was received at the court of Louis XIII with marked favour. Protected by Cardinal Richelieu and granted a liberal pension by the king, he spent the rest of his days in the convent of Saint-Honoré in Paris.

Since Atlantis is located at the Equator, the only thing needed to establish its coordinates is the meridian line that intersects it. I believe Tommaso Campanella knows this meridian line and gave this information to Cardinal Richelieu and King Louis XIII.

Subsequently, Richelieu and Louis XIII declared this meridian line, called the Ferro's Meridian as the new Prime Meridian on maps in 1634. So back then, the coordinates of Atlantis was exactly 0° N and 0° E. However, since the adoption of the Greenwich Meridian as the current Prime Meridian, the Ferro’s Meridian is now located at 18° 8' 7" W.

Source:
Rosicrucianism, the Philosopher’s Stone, and Atlantis