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CCTV Image of 7/7 'Bombers' has been Doctored?

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posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 07:45 AM
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The camera is apparently 'Camera 14' from the top left of the image. This means there must be at least another 13 cameras in the station, if not more. How come they only got picked up by one camera in the whole station?




posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 08:04 AM
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okay guy in this matter i leave it to you all do the expertise.i have no idea what to says.for the time being there is no information to get one.just only one i could fetchs up with.they will continued to wall-banger from time to time it is unlikely to be stopped.it just because the stupid designs foreign policies of USA



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis

One thing i'd like is for actual video be released with images from video or if an image is colour/shade corrected then make it law/rule that it MUST be displayed with a note saying that it has been corrected from the orginal.

I don't see why they can't show the 5 second clips that these stills are from to help with body language and style? Releasing such limited shots with a lack of video makes you wonder how much help they actually want from the public??


Exactly, why won't they show anything else? There should have been at least one camera covering the Car Park where they were said to have parked, etc. That alone is not evidence of a conspiracy, but it certainly arouses a lot of suspicion.

WCIP could be absolutely correct, I am no video or image expert to say the least, that’s why I was careful not to shout out conspiracy straight away(although I was far more careless on a smaller, unrelated website, I must admit) and asked for people who are more qualified to analyse the footage and help either prove, or disprove that the image has been edited.

So thanks goes to Skeptic Overlord, WCIP, and Agentsmith for posting up their analysis.





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posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
The camera is apparently 'Camera 14' from the top left of the image. This means there must be at least another 13 cameras in the station, if not more. How come they only got picked up by one camera in the whole station?


Probably because it's one of 30 cameras covering over a dozen stations? I guess you could compare it to the New York subway. If there were 50 cameras in the NY subway, how many do you think would take your picture when you get on? One? Maybe 2 if you also got off at another station without blowing yourself up?

A subway station isn't a private store, it's just one entrance to a giant underground "building" of course there isn't going to be 14 cameras in one station, that would imply that there are 500 cameras in the London tunnel system. (Who's going to watch all that?)



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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Luton Railway Station is not a Subway.



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 08:37 PM
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When the 7/7 bombings happened there was a lot of talk about 'identical' backpacks. . . . . . I assumed that this 'fact' could be seen on the video, but if it turns out that this is the only image publicly available then the identical backpack talk is just unsubstantiated media hype because you can't deduce it from the image, that's for sure.



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Roy Robinson Stewart
When the 7/7 bombings happened there was a lot of talk about 'identical' backpacks. . . . . . I assumed that this 'fact' could be seen on the video, but if it turns out that this is the only image publicly available then the identical backpack talk is just unsubstantiated media hype because you can't deduce it from the image, that's for sure.


One thing about the backpack that i never really bought was, why the hell did they take such huge bags that would be really obvious if they were left behind? People supporting the Al Qaeda theory are saying they were trained to be inconspicuous which is why they bought return tickets and parking etc but why then why did they need such big bags for such small bombs?

I think the patsies were told they needed to wear these giant bags to help the CCTV pick them up so their movements can be monitored easier as the 'drill' is run.

Add to that the witness report from a survivor who was in a train when it blew, he said he doesn't remember any bags and when he was taken out of the wreckage he said the police officer told him to be careful of the hole in the ground which the bomb left and he noticed it looked like the bomb must of been in the ground and came up through the carriage, ie. Planted.

I think this is why the story keeps changing, they can't stick to one story without it being scrutinized so they just keep changing it until the news can pass and people move on.



posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 05:54 PM
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img122.imageshack.us...

1. What is the building, what material is it? polished marble?

2. Strange dark line, to the right of it the concrete extends over the curb and across the road, looks strange.

3. Lack of detail here, i know thats its low resoltion, its probably nothing.

4. Face colouration of man 1. is very different to the other 3, even the guy right nearby him.

5. why are there two images, one slightly taller, the other slightly wider of the same second in time? why bother to change the image at all from the original?
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posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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the line on the right of the picture that you have outlined ,I think is simply a bus timetable fixed to the bus stop at the side of the road






posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by pantha
the line on the right of the picture that you have outlined ,I think is simply a bus timetable fixed to the bus stop at the side of the road


yes that makes sense, thats probably what it is.


img266.imageshack.us...

This is higher resolution than the one of the released photos, but is shows clearer that the railings dont actually line up
You can see that in the released photos too but its not as clear



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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I swear some people take their filesharing acquired copy of photoshop and just randomly bash buttons on the keyboard unitl something happens, and then with a wild clicking of mouse instantly turn into the #1 detective on the block!

So not only did they paste these people into the picture, complete with reflections, but they also pasted in the railings? Oh and the sign, and the stations, and the pavement, and the rucksacks, etc, etc.

Looks like Rolf has been hard at work again!



And just so you don't feel left out Roy, here's one I specially made just for you!



[edit on 28-7-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 03:40 PM
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why dont the railings line up?



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 03:47 PM
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They do line up, messing around with filters in PSP without even knowing what your doing doesn't prove anything.

At the end of the day, I can understand why they might want to superimpose people into the photo, but why the hell would they touch the railings anyway? What exactly would be achieved?

The picture is compressed digital data, things get altered slightly in the process and it works by finding the best approximation without obviously altering the data, not to the naked eye anyway.

Any form of compressed image is not suitable for such close scrutiny, it's just not designed for it.

That's why when you go on the NASA site the press packs have pretty, crappy little JPGs, but when you go and download raw data, even though at first glance it looks no better, it's 10s or 100s of megabytes as opposed to a few 100k.

You'll find these tiny 'flaws' a dime a dozen in JPGs, GIFs, etc as they are all compressed. Before you start getting excited I suggest reading up about how it works.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by AgentSmith
They do line up, messing around with filters in PSP without even knowing what your doing doesn't prove anything.


i have no idea how they got that pic, its not mine.



At the end of the day, I can understand why they might want to superimpose people into the photo, but why the hell would they touch the railings anyway? What exactly would be achieved?


thats a silly question really, imo.



Any form of compressed image is not suitable for such close scrutiny, it's just not designed for it.

You'll find these tiny 'flaws' a dime a dozen in JPGs, GIFs, etc as they are all compressed.


I agree and that makes sense.

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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 07:33 AM
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If you look at the smaller, clearer images you can see that the bar infact does past behind the person, while the other bar, goes behind his body with his elbow bent.

I dont know why the government would have any reason to fake these pics by adding one extra person into it ?

I get the feeling people are seeing things they want to see, and not the true picture !



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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I don't think the pics are doctored. There is no need to because those guys were there. The question is why they were there and what did THEY think they were there for? I pretty certain it wasn't to die. Who set them up?

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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 11:51 AM
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I think it was clearly showed how they are real and undoctored in the first page of this thread.

deny Ignorance



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 08:47 PM
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Considering the amazing amount of digital photographs ( each with their own version of circles and squares as well as different DPI's ) why should anybody form a conclusion ? Here is a fact : over 50 people are dead and 700 were injured from that supposed very very very very very complicated group of lads.......or should I say " Lab's " ?



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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dh

posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 07:18 PM
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The image was cropped anyway
See here
www.declarepeace.org.uk...

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