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posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 07:19 AM
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could just be accelerated evolution?.From a scientific point of view it is biologically impossible that humans evolved from apes in just 2 million years but apes evovled from animals in 150million years.Have you christians ever thought that your god could be aliens and acc. our evolution?.Have you ever thought that heaven=space and hell=underground.
I also believe in pure creation meaning that the universe is a computer sim and was created by god from scratch(hindu religion) but have you christians ever thought about our creators being aliens?.FOr more detailed info check my lacerta files in my sig

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posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by warthog911
From a scientific point of view it is biologically impossible that humans evolved from apes in just 2 million years but apes evovled from animals in 150million years.

Strange, actual scientists don't think that its unscientific or scientifically impossible.



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 01:48 PM
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well actually believed that EVOLUTION is described in the first pages of The book of Genesis...

Later on in the bible Jesus said " A day with the Lord is as 1000 years", so therefore the 7 days of cration could actually be 7000 years...or 7 million years...



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 02:18 PM
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But that's not a description of evolution at all. The bible contains no such description because no one had the abilities (or methodology rather) to think about groups of organisms as collections of individuals within a population. Before that people thought organisms generally existed in relatively invariant 'types'. The bible is clearly in this genre; bats and birds are all 'bird-kind', fish and whales are all 'fish-kind', etc etc. The bible's mode of thinking about organisms is the same as everyone elses in those primitive times, as 'functional' kinds of organisms that were simply made to fit into the environment they were in, not as inter-related populations that can accumulate great change over the long spans of 'deep' time.

[edit on 25-7-2005 by Nygdan]



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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look at the context of the 1000 years for one day verse. you will clearly see that it does not pertain to the beginning of the world. if you look at genesis in the king james version of the bible, you will see that they use "the first day", and "the second day", not a first day.



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Joshm2u
you will clearly see that it does not pertain to the beginning of the world.

Please elaborate. How does it show that its not talking about the creation week?



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 03:37 PM
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the passage comes from 2 Peter 3:8, which states: " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" God is saying that time is meaningless to him... as he is in another dimension which cannot see or comprehend... in this dimension the is no time. time was invented by humans to help us understand life. in this passage God is talking about heaven and eternity.



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 03:39 PM
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posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir
well actually believed that EVOLUTION is described in the first pages of The book of Genesis...

Later on in the bible Jesus said " A day with the Lord is as 1000 years", so therefore the 7 days of cration could actually be 7000 years...or 7 million years...


Actually, It was Peter 3:8-10:

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
NIV

The referrence is actually regarding Gods unwillingness to see any refuse His offer of Salvation, not in regard to creation.

Grace and Peace,

Lightseeker



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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Now for context of Genesis 1, where it says 'evening and morning...1st day, 2nd day etc...'

If that was not enough to show you that it was normal days...then look at the following

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

In six of those normal days the Lord made the heaven and .....

It gives the context right there with it.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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That's all well & good, except you have ignored the fact that the original text uses the terms yom , boqer & ereb, translated respectively by the scribes as day, morning & evening. In acuality, they literally translate to several different concepts of time and/or event measurement and denotation. Yom can mean anything from a designation for the time period that the Sun shines on you, to 24 hours, to a lengthy,unspecific amount of time (such as an "age"). Boqer means any of the following: Actual sunrise, coming of light, or the beginning of a yom (age). Consequently, ereb is sunset, night, or the end of a yom (age). In this context, Exodus' passages could very well represent a literal transubstantiation, and the designation of days could have been intentionally representative of the "ages".

Just a thought



posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by warthog911
Have you christians ever thought that your god could be aliens and acc. our evolution?.

Have you christians ever thought about our creators being aliens?.


We could if we ignored the Bible. But then also, if we ignored the Bible we could also ignore his existence and worship a God of our own creation.
You mentioned "aliens" and also said "our creators" both meaning plural. This is incompatible with Biblical doctrine. See Mark 12:28,29



Originally posted by warthog911Have you ever thought that heaven=space and hell=underground.


In my opinion,
The Heavens (in plural) mean the dimensions above the earthly dimension which is the 3rd dimension.
The Hells (also in plural) mean the dimensiones under the earthly dimension.
How/why are they above and under I don't know.



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 02:03 AM
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in a sense, the word "creators" isnt wrong. being that The Father, the word and the holy spirit are all one, there are three but they are one. kind of a hard concept to grasp, but they are three in one.

the best way I can explain the trinity is 1 to the 3rd power.
1x1x1=1
Father, the word(jesus) and the holy spirit = God.

The Bible clearly states that God created the heaven and the earth. althroughout the bible it is clearly stated that God created everything in 6 days.

but of course we have to take the bible by faith. I do



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 04:43 AM
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That's all well & good, except you have ignored the fact that the original text uses the terms yom , boqer & ereb, translated respectively by the scribes as day, morning & evening. In acuality, they literally translate to several different concepts of time and/or event measurement and denotation


That was the whole point of my post.

It TELLS you which denotation is to be used. God knew there would be people who could not figure out what a day is , so he put that in there



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 11:38 PM
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I am beginning to believe....that some people, when smacked soundly with a fresh tuna, will still exclaim indignantly, "Wherefrom didst come that cow?".

[edit on 26-7-2005 by Lordling]



posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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I am beginning to believe....that some people, when smacked soundly with a fresh tuna, will still exclaim indignantly, "Wherefrom didst come that cow?".


I dont understand your point on this one. please explain in laymans terms, im a little slow sometimes.

thanks



posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Joshm2u
the passage comes from 2 Peter 3:8, which states: " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"

There is nothing there that says 'but those six creation days, those were 24 hour periods. It certainly doesn't rule out a figurative meanign for the Creation Week.

The referrence is actually regarding Gods unwillingness to see any refuse His offer of Salvation, not in regard to creation.

That still doesn't rule out the creation week being figurative. We have a section of the bible that talks about, incidental to a different matter, how time has no real meaning for god, god doesn't consider a thousand years a long time nor does he worry about days, minutes, hours, etc. Time is meaninless to an eternal god. So saying he made the universe in a week is the same as saying he made it over a hunred trillion years, he's god, a week is no more impressive than a femto-second, the time isn't to be taken literally, its a metaphor.

in a sense, the word "creators" isnt wrong. being that The Father, the word and the holy spirit are all one,

And the jews, unaware of the spirit and son, just never thought about the unusualness of all that? The people that made up the myth didn't know why it was there?

It TELLS you which denotation is to be used. God knew there would be people who could not figure out what a day is , so he put that in there

I think that the point is that you can't have a day and evening and a morning without earth revolving around the sun. It doesn't make sense to call something 'morning' when there is just a watery abysss and god moving across it, for example. It indicates that its a poetic language not meant to be taken literally.



posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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Evo C, it means that some people will interpret things as they wish, despite being hit with something that is obvious.



posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Evo C, it means that some people will interpret things as they wish, despite being hit with something that is obvious


oh yeah I agree. II peter 3:3-8 has the best answer on that one. the scoffers are willingly ignorant of.

of course that is based on my faith in the bible.



posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Joshm2u
the passage comes from 2 Peter 3:8, which states: " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"

There is nothing there that says 'but those six creation days, those were 24 hour periods. It certainly doesn't rule out a figurative meanign for the Creation Week.
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Originally posted by jake1997

Now for context of Genesis 1, where it says 'evening and morning...1st day, 2nd day etc...'

If that was not enough to show you that it was normal days...then look at the following

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

In six of those normal days the Lord made the heaven and .....

It gives the context right there with it.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:



The bible is very clear on that subject.

This reminds me of the tuna/cow post above



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