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Abkhaz Leader Has Ordered Army To Sink Any Georgian Ships In Its Waters

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posted on Nov, 2 2006 @ 11:36 AM
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Certainly the majority of Russians would rather be allied with the West, especially economically. Russia has embraced capitalism in just 15 years, and there are literaly hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs, all of whom no doubt wish greater access to Europe. And Putin for a large part gave them that access and boosted the economy enabling many to start their own businesses. For Russia, Europe is where money and investment is.

However with recent conflicts between EU and Russia over oil contracts, and between US and Russia over Ukraine and Georgia, developing better ties with the West no seems largely impossible. Moscow may be Westrnized, but for the country as a whole there is still a major divide between Russia and EU.

For some reason EU is making conceded demands from Russia- instructing Russia to sign their oil contracts or else... and lecturing Putin on democracy and various freedoms. I don't see US lecturing Saudi Arabia on human rights- because US knows better than to taunt their key suppliers. So what the hell are Europeans thinking- I don't know.

And then there is the WTO. Russia raised/lowered its oil and gas prices to market standard to conform to WTO (oil and gas prices in Russia jumped almost 100% in 2 years as the result). It has tried to comply to regulations, and desperately fought piracy of copyrights within its borders. And stil the WTO closes its doors. Putin already stated that by 2008 Russia might drop its bid for WTO. That could mean it might take its oi/gas exports and business elsewhere- and the biggest loser from that would be Europe.




posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 10:05 PM
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Gazprom has said they want to more than double the gas price for Georgia in 2007...


Civil Georgia: Estimating Impact of Potential Gas Price Hike

2006-11-03



Russian energy giant Gazprom said it has an intention to more than double the gas price for Georgia up to USD 230 per 1000 cubic meters in 2007. Gas distribution companies in Georgia are now in talks with the Russian gas monopoly and final agreement about the price is expected by mid-December.

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Russia will not be the only provider of gas to Georgia next year.

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Related ATSNN Thread:
Russia Uses Gas Supply as Weapon again, This Time Blackmailing Georgia (by khunmoon) - atsnn page



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 10:35 PM
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Why do they keep referring to Gas prices as a weapon. Its a polically motivated incentive. Heck Russia can cease selling gas to Georgia all together. Unlike Ukraine, Georgia is not a middle man for large customers (maybe Armenia). Next thing they are going to be calling elections a weapon. Anything US doesn't like is a weapon.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 11:48 PM
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And it's only fair that Russia asks the old soviet republics to pay full price for the gas and oil, why should russians support those who broke out from it? And Russias internal gas prices will too allmost double during '07-'08 period, that is needed to gain capital for the extensive modernization of the russias energy industry.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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Well US is used to coercing its suppliers of resources and raw materials into making the transaction beneficial to them. US eventually takes its suppliers "over", so they are no longer a separate and independent entity. Look at Saudi Arabia or Kuwait - they are practically subsidiaries of the US despite being in OPEC. Venezuela broke out of this chain, but other like Nigeria and Libya are getting pulled in.

So all of the pro-American energy importers around Russia are getting pissed off (and so is US and EU) that Russia isn't playing by their rules. But the international oil and gas market has for the most part inelastic demand - so it should be the supplier who sets the price and the terms.



posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 07:04 AM
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posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by maloy
Why do they keep referring to Gas prices as a weapon. Its a polically motivated incentive. Heck Russia can cease selling gas to Georgia all together. Unlike Ukraine, Georgia is not a middle man for large customers (maybe Armenia). Next thing they are going to be calling elections a weapon. Anything US doesn't like is a weapon.


At the end of the day if Georgia wants this commodity they'll pay the normal price.

No more Russian subsidies. That's all.

All of Georgia's anger should be aimed at Washington for their reluctance to give the poor Georgians one cent since they took over the running of Georgia. Russia has given post-Soviet independent Georgia billions in subsidies.

BILLIONS.

And all the anger of the CNN/BBC propaganda apparatus seems to be aimed at Russia like thay are the bad guys for not throwing their hard earned money at a foreign country that uses every media opportunity to criticize them.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by blablablaxyz
All of Georgia's anger should be aimed at Washington for their reluctance to give the poor Georgians one cent since they took over the running of Georgia. Russia has given post-Soviet independent Georgia billions in subsidies.


Oh the US did give Saakashvilli some presents to go along with his hypothetic democracy (since its not really a democracy under that thin veil they have). Georgian troops got some brand new weapons and ammunition from the US. Then they got some more weapons and ammunition. America is stockpiling so much ammunition there, that they are practically forced to hold training exercises or to invade Abkhazia. And then, not content with that, the US supplied weapons to Georgian para-military factions poised against Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

But besides weapons, you are right- US didn't give anything to Georgia, and has only exploited it for its own good (new Caspian oil pipeline running through Georgia). But weapons aren't gonna feed people or keep them warm in the winter. Nor are they going to raise Georgia's GDP or improve the standard of living. As in most cases- this relationship with the US is a one-way partnership, benefiting almost solelly the US.



posted on Dec, 1 2006 @ 06:18 AM
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Seems like Georgia has foiled an assassination attempt on South Ossetian Leader Dimitri Sanakoev.



Civil Georgia: Tskhinvali Comments on Spy Suspect’s Arrest

2006-12-01



The Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MIA) said on November 30 that it arrested Kakha Bagauri, a Georgian citizen, on charges of collaberating with “the special services of the Russian Federation and unrecognized South Ossetian authorities.” The Georgian Interior Ministry also claimed that Bagauri was instructed to recruit “Chechen hitmen with the aim of liquidating Dimitri Sanakoev.”

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Special services of the Russian Federation. Who is that, and why do they want to assassinate Dimitri Sanakoev with Chechen hitmen?




posted on Dec, 7 2006 @ 09:20 PM
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The Russian State Duma made two separate statements on South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Georgia is not happy and condemned it as "extremely unfriendly"...


Civil Georgia: Russia’s Duma Passes Statements on Abkhazia, S.Ossetia

2006-12-06



The international community should take into consideration the independence aspirations of the South Ossetian and Abkhaz people, two separate statements passed on December 6 by the State Duma (Russia’s lower house of Parliament), say, according to the Interfax and RIA Novosti news agencies.

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Kyiv Post: Georgian parliament: Russian resolutions on breakaway regions are 'extremely unfriendly'

Dec 07 2006



Georgia's parliament on Thursday unanimously condemned as "extremely unfriendly" resolutions by Russian lawmakers pledging support for two Georgian separatist regions.

Lawmakers also appealed to "international organizations, parliamentary assemblies and parliaments of friendly countries" for help, saying the Russian votes were "attempts to annex the territory of small, neighboring countries and attempts to unilaterally change the borders, (which) is completely incompatible with the modern world."

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posted on Dec, 8 2006 @ 08:29 PM
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Abkhazia has closed its border with Georgia and are also threatening to terminate power supplies to Georgia. They demand the release of an Abkhaz citizen who got arrested.


ITAR-TASS: Abkhazia closes border on Georgia to demand citizen’s release

08.12.2006



Abkhazia has closed the border on Georgia to demand the release of Fridon Chakaberia, the administration head of the Bagryab village of the Gali district. Chakaberia was seized in the Georgian town of Zugdidi while buying equipment for the village medical office.

Abkhaz President Sergei Bagapsh does not rule out the termination of power supplies to Western Georgia. The Inguri hydropower plant, which is the largest in the South Caucasus, is supplying electricity to Abkhazia and Georgia. Abkhazia consumes 40% of the electricity, while 60% goes to Georgia. The HPP dam is located on the Georgian bank, while Abkhaz controls the power plant’s main facilities, including the control room.

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I wonder how Georgia will respond to this...



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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Aren't both in the same pro-US camp, with that brand new Caspian pipeline running through them? And here I though all politics in the Caucasus were reduced to pro-Russia and pro-US interests. Personally though I wouldn't make much of this new development. They have bigger issues to worry about north of their borders.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 07:14 PM
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Russia threatens to cut off gas supplies to Georgia. They have more than doubled the price and will cut off supplies if this new price is not accepted.


Kyiv Post: Russia threatens to cut off gas supplies to Georgia if price of $235 not accepted

Dec 20 2006



Russia's natural gas monopoly Gazprom on Wednesday set the price of natural gas exports to Georgia at $235 for 1,000 cubic meters and threatened to cut off supplies if that price is not accepted, officials said.

Georgia now pays $110 and its leaders have accused Russia of using its energy resources as "political blackmail" and as a means of punishing Georgia for its desire to join NATO and shake off the Kremlin's influence.

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Sounds like an echo from last year when they cut off the gas supplies to Ukraine when it was freezing cold.

Related Thread:
Russia to Cut Off Natural Gas Pipeline to Ukraine (by djohnsto77)



posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 09:28 AM
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But Russia is doing the same thing with Belarus now as well, and Belarus is considered more or less an ally. Belarus has untill the January 1st to accept the doubled prices. This way the West can no longer blame Russia for double standards and doing political favors with gas subsidies. Everyone gets the same market price, or they get no gas.

What's so unfair about Russia playing capitalist? Or is the West more amiable to the idea of Russia becoming a generous communist again?



posted on Jan, 3 2007 @ 10:10 PM
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Abkhazia has partially mobilized its armed forces. They claim Tbilisi has planned to stage acts of terror against Abkhazia. The President of Georgia, Saakashvili, said in his New Year speech that 2007 will bring "serious challenges" to Georgia. He also said: "For me Georgia is Saint George as a symbol of good defeating evil"...


Saakashvili


Regnum: Shamba: Partial mobilization of Abkhaz Armed Forces connected with “possible coercive action by Georgia”

12/29/2006



The decision on partial mobilization of Abkhaz Armed Forces was made in connection with “exacerbation of the situation in Gali District and possibility of Georgia taking coercive actions,” Georgian Mze TV-Channel quotes Abkhaz Foreign Minister Sergey Shamba as saying.

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Civil Georgia: Saakashvili: ‘Serious Challenges’ Ahead

2007-01-01



In his New Year message President Saakashvili said that 2006 was the year of fight between “liberty and tyranny for Georgia” and 2007 will be the year of “serious challenges” and it should turn into the year of “huge success” for the country.

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posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 12:06 AM
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A Georgian police post has been attacked by Abkhazian militiamen. One Georgian policeman was killed in the shootout. Georgia says the attack is a provocation.


Civil Georgia: Tbilisi Says Attack on Police Post in Abkhazia ‘Provocation’

2007-01-05



Pre-dawn attack on the Georgian police post in the village of Ganmukhuri on January 5 was “well-planned provocation” and “terrorist act” which has once again proven “inefficiency and ignorance” of the Russian peacekeeping troops stationed in the Abkhaz conflict zone, the Georgian State Minister for Conflict Resolution Issues said in a statement.

30-year old Georgian policeman Piruz Sharia was killed and another policeman injured when the police checkpoint was attacked by up to seven Abkhaz militiamen in the Georgian-controlled village of Ganmukhuri, which is located on the Abkhazian side of the Enguri river, the Georgian side has claimed.

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Other News Source:
ITAR-TASS: Policeman killed in Georgia-Abkhazia conflict area.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 08:51 PM
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UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urges Georgia and Abkhazia to engage in peace talks. The UN Security Council will have a meeting on the situation January 24th.




Civil Georgia: UN Secretary General Urges Georgian, Abkhaz Sides for Talks

2007-01-16



UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon expressed concern over the recent acts of violence in the Abkhaz conflict zone and called on the Georgian and Abkhaz sides to “engage in dialogue to bring peace to the region,” the UN news centre reported on January 15.

“I condemn them [acts of violence] and urge the parties to work together in identifying and bringing to justice those responsible. I appeal to both sides to engage in dialogue to prevent an escalation of the situation on the ground,” the UN Secretary General said in the report.

The UN Security Council will hold consultations on the Secretary-General’s progress report on the situation in Abkhazia on 24 January.

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posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 04:26 PM
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On March 11th, Three Russian Mi-24 attack gunships attacked a school in the Kodori Gorge. The school was damaged but was repaired the next day. The helicopters came from Russian territory.


RFE/RL: Georgian Official Says Helicopter Attack Came From Russia

March 14, 2007



"Three helicopters, preliminarily identified as Mi-24 attack gunships, flew [into the Kodori Gorge] from Russian territory or, to be precise, from the territory of Kabardino-Balkaria," Rurua said. "They made a circle above the villages of Upper Abkhazia, and as they were making a second circle they dropped about 20 unguided rockets, or so-called NURS [Russian-made unguided] rockets."

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"Already on the next day after the attack the [damaged] school was restored and [the Kodori Gorge] returned to normal life," Akishbaya said. "The only demand of the local population is that the [Georgian government's investigating] commission investigate everything objectively and thoroughly -- which it is already doing -- and that [the Georgian government] make every effort to prevent such bombings in the future."

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posted on Apr, 23 2007 @ 05:47 PM
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Georgia calls on Russia to show respect. They didn't like the way Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Ivanov spoke about Georgia.

BakuTODAY.net: Georgian Interior Minister Calls on Russia’s Ivanov ‘to Show Respect’


23/04/2007

“There is more democracy in Georgia. No skinheads are roaming the streets of Tbilisi. Political opponents and journalists are not murdered and poisoned. Georgian police are not extorting money everywhere from Georgians and foreign guests. Taking all this into consideration, I want to advice Mr. Ivanov to speak of Georgia more respectfully,” the Georgian Interior Minister told reporters on April 22.

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posted on Apr, 23 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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Ivanov is an asshole. I only hope that he won't be the one replacing Putin.



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