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Abkhaz Leader Has Ordered Army To Sink Any Georgian Ships In Its Waters

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posted on Sep, 4 2006 @ 06:31 PM
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A helicopter carrying Georgian Defense Minister Irakli Okruashvili came under fire over South Ossetia but landed safely. South Ossetia claim to have shot down a helicopter which "violated their airspace" on Sunday, while Georgia denied it was shot down. A helicopter escorting a U.S. Senate delegation led by Sen. John McCain was fired upon by a surface-to-air missile last week?



Kyiv Post: Georgian defense minister says his helicopter came under fire over South Ossetia

Sep 04 2006



Georgia's defense minister said he was aboard a helicopter that came under fire as it flew over the separatist province of South Ossetia. He said the aircraft was damaged but nobody was hurt, and they landed safely in Georgian-controlled territory.

Defense Minister Irakli Okruashvili spoke hours after South Ossetian officials said their forces shot down a Georgian government helicopter Sunday that had invaded the breakaway region's airspace. Georgian military officials swiftly denied it was shot down.

Georgia's Interior Ministry also said Sunday that in a similar incident last week a surface-to-air missile was fired at a helicopter escorting a U.S. Senate delegation led by Sen. John McCain. The aircraft was not damaged and U.S. authorities had been notified, the ministry said.

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posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 11:43 AM
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Another non-country are going to hold another non-vote (ref.: Transnistria's Sept 17 vote). South Ossetia are going to vote for independence from Georgia on November 12.




RFE/RL: South Ossetia To Vote On Independence

September 11, 2006



Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia announced today it will hold a referendum on independence on November 12.

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Civil Georgia: S.Ossetia Sets Repeat Independence Referendum

2006-09-11



Breakaway South Ossetia will hold an independence referendum on November 12 – the same day that presidential elections are scheduled in the unrecognized republic. Tbilisi has already warned that the referendum may lead to destabilization and “to a disruption of the peace process.”

In a separate statement issued on September 8 the Georgian Foreign Ministry said that the referendum will “carry no legal or legitimate force.” “It is therefore all the more alarming that Russia acting as a mediator in the negotiation process, instead of objectively assessing the existing situation, continues to argue insistently that conduction of referendums is South Ossetia’s internal affair,” the Georgian Foreign Ministry said.

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Clashes Between South Ossetian And Georgian Forces

Four people were killed in clashes between South Ossetian and Georgian forces. South Ossetia and Georgia are blaming each other for the incident.


Civil Georgia: Four Die in South Ossetia Skirmish

2006-09-08



Three South Ossetian militia members and one Georgian officer died in a clash in the South Ossetian conflict zone early on September 8, five days after a Georgian army helicopter was fired on over the breakaway region. Tbilisi and Tskhinvali have accused each other of provoking the recent incident.
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“I want to reiterate that all these [incidents] make the timeframe for peaceful decisions shorter. These so-called Russian peacekeeping forces are increasing the probability of Georgian law enforcement agencies carrying out forceful operations,” MP Givi Targamadze, the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee for Defense and Security, said in an interview with the Rustavi 2 television on September 8. “I am afraid the Georgian state will have to launch anti-criminal operation there,” MP Targamadze added.
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In an interview with Russian television on September 8 Defense Minister of breakaway South Ossetia Anatoly Barankevich warned that “a military confrontation will lead to bloodshed among the Georgian troops.”

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War!

Abkhazian Rebel leader Emzar Kvitsiani declared war against Georgia today.



RFE/RL: Georgian Rebel Leader Declares War

September 11, 2006



Emzar Kvitsiani, a rebel militia leader on the run from the Georgian police, today declared war against the government.

Speaking on Georgia's privately owned Imedi television, Kvitsiani said he had the support of the mountain peoples of the North Caucasus in Russia.

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posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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Although it is not mentioned in any news sources outside CIS, Saakashvilli has been arresting much of his opposition lately, as well as members of his own administration who voice their opinions against starting another war. Russian news reports several senior politicians being arrested on baseless charges in the last several weeks. Furthermore yesterday I heard a report of Georgian forces firing upon South Ossetian police forces. It appears that what the West hailed as a democracy, is now degenerating into a dictatorship headed by Saakashvilli. And furthermore it seems that every action taken by him and his generals, moves the country only closer to war. I for one do not doubt that restarting the war was his intention all along. Apart from what you belive about the nature of Georgian conflict, Saakashvilli is a dangerous leader who's unyielding and uncompromising behavior can only lead to more bloodshed. And US is placing all hopes on this guy, which could create severe consequences.


Of all of the things I am unable to understand, is the position of the US, which is obviously supporting Saakashvilli. US is arming various Georgian forces (including paramilitary ones) to the teeth. They have also made massive investments in the new pipeline running through Georgia from Azerbaijan, and into Turkey. But if he is a puppet, why is he interested in a war that would potentially drag in Russia? The last thing US needs is to worsen relations with Russia over Georgia. So who does Saakashvilli work for- because its obviously not for the better of Georgia?



posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 09:19 PM
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September 5, 2006

A thorough investigation by Georgia's Ministry of Internal Affairs and the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), confirms that, contrary to initial reports, no missile was fired at any helicopter transporting the U.S. Senate Delegation led by Senator John McCain on August 28, 2006. It appears that another helicopter, which was on the way from Tbilisi to join the Senate delegation helicopters in western Georgia, was the intended target of the missile.

georgia.usembassy.gov...



posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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maloy, good post



Originally posted by maloy
But if he is a puppet, why is he interested in a war that would potentially drag in Russia? The last thing US needs is to worsen relations with Russia over Georgia.


I don't think Russia or the US would get involved, other than a little logistical and "morale" support. I mean, both sides know if they get involved then the other will (US and Rus).


So who does Saakashvilli work for- because its obviously not for the better of Georgia?


Youv'e already answered that question.




[edit on 11/9/2006 by SportyMB]



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 06:05 PM
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Georgia Urges EU To Assist In Peace Negotiations

Georgia urged EU to mediate for peace today. They noted that so far peacekeeping efforts have rendered no results...


MosNews: Tbilisi Urges EU to Mediate Peace Deals for Georgia’s Breakaway Provinces

12.09.2006



Georgia has urged the European Union to render assistance to Tbilisi in negotiating peace settlement for the country’s breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and weaken Russia’s influence over those territories, Georgia’s top Foreign Ministry official said Tuesday.

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U.S. Delegation In Georgia To Discuss Military Cooperation Today

James MacDougall and a 11-member U.S. delegation are in Georgia to discuss military cooperation between the two countries.


Civil Georgia: Georgia, U.S. Officials Discuss Military Cooperation

2006-09-12



Defense officials from the United States and Georgia are holding talks in Batumi, Adjara Autonomous Republic, on September 12 to outline cooperation between the two countries, the Georgian Defense Ministry reported.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence James MacDougall is leading the 11-member U.S. delegation.

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posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Seems like the consultations in Batumi turned out well for Georgia. There will be "deeper" bilateral cooperation between Georgia and the US in the future.


RIA Novosti: Georgia-U.S. military consultations over in Batumi

13/ 09/ 2006 - 8:00pm



The head of the American delegation, Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary James MacDougall, said bilateral cooperation was becoming deeper and that in the future the U.S. would render Georgia assistance in training and managing professional personnel.

Another defense official said the U.S. would help Georgia integrate into NATO

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posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 11:11 PM
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On September 16 Georgian President Saakashvili spoke to 12 000 teenagers who had spent their summer in state-sponsored "Patriot Camps" in Georgia. He compared Georgia to St. George who could defeat "powerful evil" and said that Georgia will gain victory. He also said that Georgia needs "a courageous generation, which will not be afraid of anything"...


Civil Georgia: Georgia Revives Despite Blockade - Saakashvili Tells ‘Patriots’

2006-09-16



President Saakashvili said on September 16 that Georgia will revive and reunite despite attempts from “a neighboring country” to thwart Georgia’s success.

He was speaking at a second Forum of Patriots, which gathered 12 000 teenagers in the Tbilisi Sport Palace from all over Georgia who spent their summer in state-sponsored camps in different parts of the country. These summer camps were called “Patriot Camps” and aimed, as the organizers said, at boosting a patriotic spirit among the youth.

He said that Georgia is St. George, who could defeat “powerful evil” on his own because of his “inner spiritual strength.” “We will do the same; will gain victory,” Saakashvili added. The Georgian leader also said that the country needs “a courageous generation, which will not be afraid of anything.”

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This was yesterday. Also keep in mind what's going to happen in Transnistria today (Sept 17) ...



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 11:44 PM
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I think it is far more likely that there might be an attack on Abkhazia/South ossetia than on Transdniester. Moldova is too weak to take on Transdniester by itself, considering how well armed the separatists are. Ukraine said it will not interfere beyond closely patroling the borders. And NATO will not dare attack it if there is a possibility of confrontation with Russians. The Russians are there, and so is the FSB, and you can be sure NATO will not tread on their turf.

Georgia is more likely because Saakashvilli has adequate power to carry out an attack without any help. Also now I am beginning to think that Russia will not interfere openly, and if anything starts it will get its Peace Keepers out. I know that South Ossetia especially is very nervous right now. Same thing as with Chechnya- most people don't really care if they are part of Georgia or not, but the hard line separatists will drag the whole population into the conflict. If Saaka doesn't want armed conflict, why is he rousing up the entire population in that way? Its not like Georgia has reason to fear an attack from anybody, so the only reason is it is preparing for attack.

And Americans couldn't care less where the weapons they paid for with their tax dollars are going- and what new conflicts they are going to start. If not for American help Saakashvilli wouldn't be as bold and unyeilding as he is.



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 05:03 AM
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Yesterday Georgian President Saakashvili demanded in the UN that the Russian troops should withdraw from Georgia without delay.


RIA Novosti: Georgian leader demands withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers at UN

22/ 09/ 2006



Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili addressed Friday the United Nations General Assembly in New York with a demand for the withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers from 'frozen conflict' zones in his country. The UN General Assembly decided September 13 to include the issue of post-Soviet frozen conflicts in Georgia, Moldova and Azerbaijan on the agenda of its 61st session.

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The Georgian president offered his own 'road map' for the resolution of the conflicts, envisioning the withdrawal of Russian peacekeeping contingents and demilitarization of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, with mediation from the UN, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and the European Union.

Saakashvili said Georgia would use peaceful means to resolve the conflicts, but act persistently and without delays.

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posted on Sep, 25 2006 @ 06:00 AM
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Abkhazia are right now holding large-scale military exercises (September 24-26). Tomorrow they are going to practice with artillery and air force in Kodori Gorge...


Civil Georgia: Abkhazia Holds Large-Scale Maneuvers

2006-09-25



September 26 the exercises will be carried out in Abkhaz-administered lower Kodori Gorge with the participation of artillery and air forces

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Monument Angers Azerbaijan

Armenians are planning to erect in a Georgian city a monument in tribute of Armenian General Gurgen Dalibaltyan. Azerbaijan is angry because this General was fighting against Azerbaijani troops in Nagorno-Karabakh.


Civil Georgia: Controversial Monument Poses Diplomatic Challenge to Tbilisi

2006-09-23



Plans to erect a monument to Armenian Gen. Gurgen Dalibaltyan in predominately ethnic Armenian-populated Georgia’s southern city of Akhalkalaki have triggered Baku’s angry reaction.

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A spokesman of the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tbilisi Elkhan Polukhanov said on September 23 that the move will be perceived to be “non-friendly” by Azerbaijani authorities.

“At first we want to know whether there is a relevant authorization by the Georgian state agencies on creation of this monument… The monument will definitely bring negative elements in relationship between the two states – Georgia and Azerbaijan, which is in a condition of war with Armenia,” Elkhan Polukhanov told Imedi television.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Related ATS Thread:
War In Nagorno Karabakh Can Start At Any Moment



posted on Sep, 26 2006 @ 10:23 PM
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There is certainly an alliance forming as obvious here and other recent events.

Armenia has long been allies with Russia, and never had any discord between them. Russia supported Armenia against both the Turks and the Azeriis. On the other hand the US camp consists of Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, so there is no wonder that the two are forming better relations - even though Georgia is predominantly Christian (as is Armenia), and Azerbaijan is Muslim.

I certainly hope that whatever **** breaks out there, that Armania won't be involved. That country has suffered many struggles in the past century, and now is vitrually surrounded by potential enemies (also considering half of its land is still under Turkish occupation and a small part under Azerbaijani control). Watch for Russia and Armenia strengthening their ties in this power play.



posted on Sep, 27 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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Georgia has arrested four senior Russian army officers and more than ten local agents for spying. Russia demands their immediate release and blame Georgia for "provocations"...


BBC: Russia in 'spy' row with Georgia

27 September 2006



Russia has demanded the immediate release of four of its army officers arrested in Georgia on spying charges.

Georgian Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili said the four were arrested along with 10 Georgians, for planning "a major provocation". Georgian forces also surrounded the Russian army HQ in Tbilisi, demanding the handover of another officer. Mr Merabishvili said the detained Russians and Georgian citizens had been collecting information on Tbilisi's relations with Nato, as well on its sea port and railway infrastructure, opposition parties and army. "Today we neutralised a very serious and dangerous group," he said.

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RIA Novosti: Wrap: Russia-Georgia clash over "spying" claims

27/ 09/ 2006



Relations between Russia and Georgia hit new lows Wednesday when Tbilisi said it had detained four senior Russian army officers and more than 10 alleged local agents on suspicion of spying.

The Russian Foreign Ministry issued an immediate denial of Tbilisi's claims, saying the arrests were unfounded and represented the latest attack made by the Georgian government on its peacekeeping missions in breakaway Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

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posted on Sep, 28 2006 @ 02:38 PM
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Russia has evacuated some embassy staff and all family members from Georgia. The Russian defence minister accused Georgia of acting like gangsters. The Georgian interior minister said he was willing to provide the press with audio and video recordings of the spies in action...


RIA Novosti: Wrap: Espionage scandal strains Georgian-Russian relations further

28/ 09/ 2006



The Russian Foreign Ministry announced that it was recalling its ambassador to Tbilisi for consultations and was evacuating some embassy staff and all family members over safety concerns. The defense minister opened a new front in the war of words by accusing the Georgian authorities of acting like gangsters.

The Georgian leadership defended the Wednesday arrests, saying that they had been conducted in line with international law, and advised Moscow against imposing sanctions on the South Caucasus country over the increasingly acrimonious scandal. The interior minister also said he was willing to provide the press with audio and video recordings of the alleged spies in action.

Russia's move to recall its top diplomat in Tbilisi came amid a perception that there was an increasing security risk in the Georgian capital, which also prompted the withdrawal of non-essential mission staff.

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Banned Anti-Aircraft Gun Found In South Ossetia:

They found an illegal 23-mm antiaircraft gun but they could not confiscate it. The gun was protected by a South Ossetian armed unit which offered armed resistance. The Russian "peace keepers" took no action to help confiscating the weapon.


RIA Novosti: Banned antiaircraft gun found in Georgia-S.Ossetia conflict zone

28/ 09/ 2006



A 23-mm antiaircraft gun, banned under a ceasefire and disengagement agreement, has been discovered in a conflict zone between Georgia and its breakaway province of South Ossetia, the Georgian Defense Ministry said Thursday.

"The members of the monitoring group were not allowed to approach the antiaircraft cannon and confiscate it," the ministry said. "Servicemen of an unofficial South Ossetian armed unit, the so called home guards, offered armed resistance."

It also said the Russian side had taken no action to enable the military observers to perform their functions and confiscate the illegal weapon.

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posted on Sep, 28 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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I'm chiming in here again to tell you that there is a new thread on ATSNN.

Tensions Rise Between Russia And Georgia (by RedGolem)



posted on Sep, 28 2006 @ 08:58 PM
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Russia complains to the UN Security Council about Georgia. The Security Council will make a decision about this tomorrow (Friday). Russia wants Georgia to withdraw its troops from the Kodori Valley and to abandon its plan to install the "government of the autonomous republic of Abkhazia"...


BakuTODAY.net: Russia takes row with Georgia to UN Security Council

29/09/2006



Russia's envoy to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, called for UN Security Council action to restrain Georgia, which he accused of "serious provocations" culminating in the arrest of Russian officers on spying charges.

He urged the 15-member council to restrain Georgian authorities "because we don't want the situation in that troubled part of the world to further deteriorate." Churkin said he circulated a draft statement among his colleagues expressing "deep concern" over the Georgia's actions and demanding a withdrawal of Georgian troops from the Kodory Valley. The text "urges the Georgian side to withdraw its troops and other armed formations from the Kodori Valley and to reconsider its plan to install there the so-called "government of the autonomous republic of Abkhazia." Churkin said council members may adopt the text Friday after hearing a briefing from the UN secretariat on the volatile situation in the Caucasus.

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posted on Sep, 29 2006 @ 03:12 PM
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Georgian court decided today to keep the Russian spies in custody for two months. They might prolong term of two months if necessary. Georgia is still surrounding the Russian army HQ in Tbilisi demanding the surrender of another Russian officer. The Russians have said they will do whatever necessary to free the detained spies. The evacuated Russian ambassador in Georgia will not return until the spies have been released.


RIA Novosti: Georgian court remands Russian servicemen in custody for 2 months

29/ 09/ 2006



The Tbilisi City Court remanded four Russian servicemen accused of spying in custody for two months, a lawyer said Friday.

He said the case should be submitted to a court within the two-months period, adding that prosecutors could prolong the term of custody or submit the case later.

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"Gangsterism in Georgia has taken on a state scale," Ivanov said Thursday.

He also said a cordon around the Russian contingent's headquarters in Tbilisi has not yet been lifted, as the Georgian side keeps demanding the surrender of another Russian officer wanted by Georgia, Lieutenant Colonel Konstantin Pichugin.

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Russian defence minister Ivanov said: "Georgia has chosen a military way of resolving the conflicts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia".


RFE/RL: NATO, EU Urge Calm In Russia-Georgia Row

September 29, 2006



NATO, the United States, and the EU have all attempted to calm the escalating spy row between Russia and Georgia.

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Speaking in Slovenia, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said that Georgia's arrest of the military officers was connected to its breakaway provinces:

"It is absolutely clear to us that Georgia has chosen a military way of resolving the conflicts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and that is where all other [problems] stem from," Ivanov said. Ivanov also said that "younger NATO members" were supplying Georgia with Soviet-made weapons and ammunition.

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Georgian citizens no longer get visas to visit Russia.


BakuTODAY.net: Russia begins evacuation from Georgian capital as tensions rise

29/09/2006



Russian ambassador Mikhail Svirin told АFР Friday that in the Russian view the "security threat is credible". At the United Nations in New York, Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin called for Security Council action to restrain Georgia, which he accused of "serious provocations".

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"Nothing illegal has happened. We are building democracy and protecting our statehood. That's how all democratic countries act," Saakashvili said.

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The Russian embassy has indefinitely suspended the issue of visas to Georgian citizens for travel to Russia.

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posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 02:23 AM
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There have been reports of Russian civilians fleeing from Georgia.
Allso there have been rumors (no solid facts or internet links) that for about a month Russia has been rotating top-end equipment from North-West garrisons to somewhere and replacing them with older worn out gear...
This might be bull# or real, i heard it from people who regulary visit russian bases around st.petersburg



posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 04:02 PM
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Russia plans to hold navy maneuvers in immediate proximity from Georgia’s territorial waters. The maneuvers will restrict the operation of Georgian Black Sea ports. Georgia warns Russia that they will be held responsible for all negative consequences that may result.


Civil Georgia: Georgia Warns Russia over Navy Maneuvers

2006-09-30



“The Russian Federation plans to hold navy exercises in Georgia’s exclusive economic zone, in an immediate proximity from the Georgia’s territorial waters. The area designated for these military exercises will restrict the operation of Georgia’s Black Sea ports of Batumi, Poti and Supsa causing serious damage to Georgia’s trade-economic interests,” the Georgian Foreign Ministry said.

“The Russian side will be held fully responsible for all negative consequences that may result from the maneuvers.”

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All Russian embassy officials evacuated from Tbilisi

Russia evacuated the rest of its embassy staff from Tbilisi today, Russia has suspended the withdrawal of its troops from Georgia and unidentified gunmen opened fire on Georgian police, wounding two...


BakuTODAY.net: Russian evacuates embassy as spat with Georgia intensifies

30/09/2006



Russia evacuated its embassy in Georgia late Saturday and halted troop withdrawals from the country amid a deepening diplomatic spat over the arrest of four Russian officers on spying charges.

Moscow had already evacuated some 80 embassy staff and family members on Friday. The Russian army, meanwhile, has suspended the withdrawal of its troops from Georgia in the growing crisis, Interfax quoted the head of the Russian army in the north Caucasus as saying Saturday.

Further exacerbating tensions in Abkhazia, three unidentified gunmen opened fire on Georgian police Saturday along the region's border, wounding two, RIA Novosti reported.

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posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 08:45 PM
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Russia is signaling Georgia that Saakashvilli is going too far. Maybe there really was a threat to the embassy staff, but most probably not. However this move by Russia is showing that a complete severance of all ties with Georgia is about to start- economic and political. Even if war doesn't break out now, there will still be high tensions for years to come.

This is top story on nearly all Russian news. There are constant news talk shows about implications of these events, and it doesn't look good. The thing I am wondering about, is how does Georgia expect to win any war against Russia, if a war indeed starts. They are pushing for Russian peace keepers to get out of separatist regions. I can assure you that Russia will not budge (at least untill Putin is in charge). If Georgia still decides to attack, there will be very severe implications.



I love it how there is completely no mention of this in any US media. Don't want anybody to question what US is doing heating up another war overseas. This potential war will be financed with US money, and US will be largely responsible. But between Iraq, Iran and national affairs nobody in US could give least care.

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