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Abkhaz Leader Has Ordered Army To Sink Any Georgian Ships In Its Waters

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posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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Peace talks between Georgia and the breakaway republic of Abkhazia broke down on friday. Abkhaz army units then received orders to sink any Georgian ships if they appear in Abkhaz waters. The peace talks broke down as a result of an incident in which the Georgian coastguard seized a Turkish ship on its way to Abkhazia carrying a "humanitarian cargo".

Below is a map. Abkhazia is the Autonomous region to the north. They also have problems with another Autonomous region, South Ossetia. The separatist governments in those two regions are supported by Russia.


Image from www.maria.trombly.com


Khaleej Times: Abkhaz leader threatens to sink Georgian ships in its waters (AFP)

24 July 2005


The leader of the breakaway republic of Abkhazia on the Black Sea coast vowed yesterday to sink any Georgian ship that entered its waters after peace talks with Georgia broke down, Russian news agencies reported.

“Abkhaz army units have received the order to sink Georgian ships if they appear in Abkhaz waters,” Russia’s Interfax news agency quoted Sergei Bagapsh, president of the self-proclaimed republic of Abkhazia, as saying.

Since coming to power last year after a “rose revolution,” Georgia’s pro-Western President Mikhail Saakashvili has pledged to bring back under Tbilisi’s control Abkhazia and another breakaway region, South Ossetia.

In May, US President George W. Bush vowed to assist Saakashvili in resolving the separatist conflicts peacefully, after violence between Georgian and South Ossetian authorities flared up in 2004.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

The situation is very tense in this area. There is high risk of an armed conflict. The peace talks which broke down were backed by the UN.

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Civil Georgia: UN-led Georgian-Abkhaz Talks Thwarted

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[edit on 2006/4/23 by Hellmutt]




posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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On July 26, the leaders of Abkhazia and South Ossetia signed a joint communiqué pledging one another "mutual assistance", including military assistance. The South Ossetian leader said "the ideology of fascism carried out by the Georgian side must be condemned by the international community"...


Abkhazia, South Ossetia to Sign Comprehensive Agreement

After signing a communiqué on cooperation in Abkhaz town of Gagra on July 26, the leaders of breakaway Abkhazia and South Ossetia will sign, as they said, a comprehensive agreement between the two unrecognized republics’ in South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali in “nearest future,” the Abkhaz news agency Apsnipress reported.

“Singing of this communiqué confirms unity and readiness of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to provide mutual assistance,” Sergey Bagapsh, the President of breakaway Abkhazia said after signing ceremony.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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I notice that the two seperatists regions end in -skaya.

Interesting on a historical note. This is a reference to the scythians of that general region perhaps?

I hadn't even realized that there were problems here.

Georgia had the 'Rose' revolution not too long ago no? However the president was assasinated not too long afterwards no? And now the seperatists are being backed by the Russians, while the russians were probably invovled in the two attempted assasinations of the leader of the Ukranian Orange Revolution? Man they just can't give up eh? Can't they just focus on Chechyna for a while?

I like the propaganda that they are using here, the georgians are 'fascists'. Musta taken it outta some KGB text books that Putin kept from his old days.



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 08:03 PM
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Two very interesting news articles from today.
  • Georgia has just returned the goods from the seized Turkish ship.
  • Georgia and US are right now holding their first ever Joint Navy Exercises.


    Civil Georgia: Tbilisi Returns Seized Cargo to Abkhazia

    On August 1 the Georgian side sent a cargo of construction materials, wheat and other food products to Abkhazia. The shipment was seized from a Turkish vessel by the Georgian Coast Guard in early June.

    The vessel and its crew were detained for illegally entering the Abkhaz section of the Georgian maritime borders.

    The Abkhaz side, which described this incident as “piracy,” refused to participate in talks with the Georgian side before the return of cargo, reportedly worth of USD 300,000.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


    Civil Georgia: Georgia, U.S. Hold Joint Navy Exercises

    The first-ever joint Georgian-U.S. navy exercises will open on August 2 near Georgia’s Black Sea port of Poti.

    The USS Nashville and three Georgian vessels will participate in the exercises which will include training in ship rescue operations.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



  • posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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    Georgia had the 'Rose' revolution not too long ago no? However the president was assasinated not too long afterwards no?

    Yeah, not that long ago. And the last president (chevatadze (sp)) was not not assassinated....I think you have him confused with the Minister of Defense...he died from carbon dio/monoxide poisining



    posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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    "Georgia and US are right now holding their first ever Joint Navy Exercises."

    .. and on the 18th China and Russia will be holding joint exercises on their eastern boarders.


    But there is nothing going on right? No one is getting ready for something we don't actually know about right? We are not being kept in the dark about a conflict that is about to errupt, errupt hard right?

    Nah. Unbelieveable.



    posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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    The Geogian Navy is hardly worthy fo being called a Navy.....the exercise
    is not a build up of forces or prep time for any "planned" event. It's just the US helping out Georgia.....of course there is always some sort of political/econimical gain...or else the US would not help. But IMO, I doubt it's anything to worry about.



    posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 02:51 AM
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    What would happen if a Russian...I mean Abkhazian ship hits a US...I mean Georgian ship?

    This reminds me of the scenario where two friends who are fighting come to a 'break' and end up doing something with another friend only to somehow ironically bump into each other and start the fight all over again. Or better yet when the woman on the balcany is being told by another woman what to say to her astranged lover in the street who is happens to be being fed information by his friend.

    [edit on 3-8-2005 by Frosty]



    posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 09:15 PM
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    Abkhazia and Georgia will meet Thursday (today). Representatives from Russia, US, France, Germany, and Britain will attend to this "security meeting".


    RIA Novosti: Abkhazia representatives agree to attend Thursday security meeting

    Abkhazia has agreed to participate in a security meeting scheduled Thursday here, said UN special representative to Georgia Heidi Tagliavini.

    The meeting will also bring together representatives of the Group of Friends of the UN Secretary General for Georgia: Russia, the United States, France, Germany, and Britain.

    Georgia and Abkhazia have more than enough to discuss in the area of security guarantees, said Tagliavini.

    We are ready to discuss any issues regarding security guarantees at the meeting due on August 4 and proposals to draft a document or a statement on non-resumption of combat activities and return of refugees, Tagliavini said.

    It might not happen right away because it is difficult enough to draft a declaration to that effect. It will be the first meeting where the sides will lay out their proposals, and I hope that we will be able to make some progress towards the document, she said.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



    posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 03:02 AM
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    Here's a good link

    US Embassy in Georgia

    The Exercise is only 3 days.....my guess is that the ship or whatever will also hit up Turkey for maybe a little Libbo....maybe Greece..who knows.



    posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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    What will happen next? Abkhazia has now asked Russia to officially recognize it as an independent state...


    ITAR-TASS: Abkhazia’s NGOs ask Russian president to recognize republic

    Abkhazia’s non-governmental organizations have asked Russian President Vladimir Putin and Moscow’s Mayor Yuri Luzhkov to recognize the self-proclaimed republic’s independence.

    “Over 80 percent of Abkhazia’s residents are Russian citizens and the number of Russian citizens resident in Abkhazia has been growing with every day. Those who still do not have Russian citizenship have so far been unable to pay for citizenship and passport acquisition procedures.”

    The Coordinating Council argues that Abkhazia is not part of Georgia and is free to decide its future on its own. To support this claim it mentions a number of legal acts adopted in the last days of the USSR, and in the first post-Soviet years, as well as results of plebiscites held at that time.

    The authors of the message say that Russia is a legal successor of the Soviet Union and those legal acts are still effective.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


    [edit on 2005/8/11 by Hellmutt]



    posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 01:23 PM
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    Large-scale military maneuvers scheduled for August 15-17 in Abkhazia.


    RIA Novosti: Large-scale military maneuvers in Abkhazia

    11/ 08/ 2005


    Large-scale military exercises are scheduled for August 15-17 in Abkhazia, the Defense Minister of the self-proclaimed republic in Georgia told RIA Novosti.

    According to Sultan Sosnaliyev, the exercises will be the largest since 2002, when the armed clashes between Georgia and Abkhazia ended. Aside from regular military units, several brigades of reservists will participate in the maneuvers. The minister invited the media to provide news coverage of the exercises.

    The exercises will include demonstration firing and an amphibious assault landing.

    Sosnaliyev said that the goal of the exercises was to practice combat tactics, to eliminate an enemy after it has performed an amphibious assault landing, and to deploy reserves to repel enemy attacks from the sea or the mountains.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



    posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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    This is very strange. This "large-scale" military exercise lasted only an hour because "there would not be enough ammunition". Unexpected arrival of UN observers with video cameras made them call off the whole thing...


    Civil Georgia: Kommersant: Abkhaz Military Training Cut Short because of UN Observer Presence

    2005-08-21


    Russia's Kommersant daily reported on August 20 from the military excercises in Abkhazia, that the trainings were cut short following the unexpected arrival of the UN observers, who were filming the excercises on video cameras.

    According to the reporter, chief of staff of the Abkhaz army Anatoly Zaytsev unexpectedly announced that the excercises would last only an hour as "there would not be enough ammunition."

    the Abkhaz troops refrained from using heavy mortars and Su-25 Frogfoot jets for the same reason. Anti-aircraft guns, tanks, one Mi-8 and two Czech made jet trainer L-39s were used in the training.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

    There are many strange things happening in Georgia these days. Here´s some headlines from today:
    ITAR-TASS: Georgia left without power over breakdown on transmission line
    RIA Novosti: Unknown plane intrudes into Georgian airspace
    Interfax: Russian peacekeepers' post in S. Ossetia attacked

    [edit on 2005/8/21 by Hellmutt]



    posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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    The Abkhaz prime minister don`t want any "bananas" from the west. He said they don`t want any "economic opportunities" at the cost of their "freedom". He insists on their independence and refuse the western efforts to reunite Abkhazia with Georgia. According to him they get far better understanding from Russia.


    Civil Georgia: Abkhaz PM: We Won't Trade in Our Freedom

    2005-08-25


    Abkhaz prime minister Aleksander Ankvab told Regnum news agency that the independence of Abkhazia will not be traded in for the economic opportunities and international assistance. In the interview, Ankvab criticized western diplomats and said Abkhazia finds "far better understanding" of its claims in Russia.

    "Representatives of western diplomatic circles, sorry for rough language, always rub it in our face [that Abkhazia is not internationally recognized], but they can not take away our natural right to being independent and free. We are not asking to enter anything and don't go around begging - we do not need a banana they can offer. If they want to speak in a dignified manner, we are ready to respond, but to try with economic promises to return us somewhere [i.e. Georgia] - there is a will of the people and it will not change," Ankvab said.

    "We see no linkage between our political aims and an opportunity for receiving [foreign] loans," he added.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



    posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 07:31 AM
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    They have started shooting at each other in South Ossetia (Abkhazia`s "allied"). The South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali were shelled on 20th September (South Ossetia`s "so-called" Independence Day). The Georgian Defense Minister did not rule out that Russian peacekeepers were involved in this and other incidents.


    OSCE Press release: OSCE Chairman-in-Office condemns shelling of civilian area in South Ossetia

    21 September 2005


    The Chairman-in-Office of the OSCE, Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel, has condemned those who launched an artillery attack last night in a populated area of Tskhinvali, the main town in the zone of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict.

    "The firing of heavy weapons into civilian areas is not only a serious breach of the ceasefire agreement, but it is also against all norms of civilized behaviour and decency. I have no hesitation in totally condemning this act", he said.

    It is believed around 10 civilians were injured in last night's attack. No deaths have been reported.

    "In the light of this and other events, I would support the Mission's repeated call for an early meeting at the highest level between the sides."

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


    Civil Georgia: Defence Minister Says Tskhinvali Incident is ‘Provocation

    2005-09-22


    In a statement issued on September 21 Georgian Defence Minister Irakli Okruashvili described the incident involving a mortar attack on South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali on September 20 as a provocation.

    He said, that “when the talks on peaceful resolution of conflict have entered the crucial phase and the meeting between Georgian Prime Minister and South Ossetian leader has already been planned, such development of events was not in our interests.”

    The Georgian Defense Minister did not rule out that this incident is linked with serious claims raised by the Georgian Parliament towards the Russian peacekeepers stationed in the South Ossetian conflict zone, “which are busy with inspiring such provocations.”

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

    Related Links:
    Civil Georgia: Georgia Calls on OSCE to Probe into Tskhinvali Shelling
    Civil Georgia: Reports: Georgian Villages Shelled in South Ossetia



    posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 06:21 AM
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    Back in 2003 (I think 2003...maybe 2002) Georgia and South Ossetia almost went to war, lucky they did'nt...just a little fighting. This arty shelling could've led to a war, if it continues...who knows....the small things add up, that's what almost started the last war.



    posted on Oct, 29 2005 @ 10:22 PM
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    Georgia´s Ambassador to the UN calls for a UN-led peace operation in Abkhazia. They don´t trust the Russian-led "peacekeepers" anymore and want them out. He say we are witnessing "military annexation of part of Georgia by Russia".


    Civil Georgia: Georgian Envoy Calls for UN-led Peace Operation in Abkhazia

    2005-10-29



    In his letter to the UN Security Council sent on October 27, Georgia’s Ambassador to the UN Revaz Adamia said that the Russian-led peacekeeping operation has “exhausted its potential” and called for designing full-scale international, UN-led peacekeeping operation in Abkhazia.

    Ambassador Adamia notes that positive developments in respect of the Abkhaz conflict resolution “are pretty much exhausted” by the UN-mediated fourth meeting between the Georgian and Abkhaz sides on security guarantees, which was held in August.

    “That positive momentum was marred by large-scale Abkhaz military exercise – the largest in the post-war period. Most alarmingly, those exercises were held in the zone of responsibility of the Russian PKF, which, unlike UNOMIG, left the events without comment. Moreover, we have no doubt on our mind that financing and equipment for these exercises came from the Russian Federation,” the Georgian Ambassador says.

    “We are witnessing… trivial military annexation of part of Georgia by Russia, where these military units [Russian peacekeepers] are securing borders of annexed territories,” the Georgian Ambassador says.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



    posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 07:55 PM
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    The situation between Georgia and South Ossetia ("Abkhazia´s allied") is getting more tense. Georgia are "abducting" South Ossetian officials and in return South Ossetian militiamen are kidnapping Georgian civilians and policemen (Georgian Military Police). They are also occasionally shooting at each other. The Georgian Interior Minister say they want to maintain peace and are trying to avoid any major confrontations with the South Ossetians. 3 Georgian MPs and one civilian are still being held hostage and Georgia warned that “an adequate response” will be made if they were not released.


    Civil Georgia: Georgian Police Arrest S.Ossetian Officials

    2005-12-06 17:51:04



    The Georgian police arrested on December 6 chief of the breakaway South Ossetia’s Akhalgori (Leningori) district administration and three other officials from the same administration, the South Ossetian Press and Information Committee reported.

    According to the South Ossetian reports, four men were arrested while driving from the Akhalgori district, which in South Ossetia is known as Leningori, in the direction of the breakaway region’s capital Tskhinvali. The South Ossetian Press and Information Committee has described this detention as “an abduction.”

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


    Civil Georgia: 'Dozen' of Civilians Released, but Four Remain Held in S.Ossetia

    2005-12-06 21:53:09



    About dozen of Georgian civilians, detained by the South Ossetian militiamen on Tuesday were released later on December 6, but three Georgian policemen and one civilian still remain held by the South Ossetian side, Georgian Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili said.

    “We do not want confrontation, we want to completely follow [South Ossetian] peace plan which we have so that not to thwart it. That is why we refrain from undertaking radical steps, but everyone knows, they [South Ossetian side] know that if they do not release the Georgian citizens, this step [detention of policemen and civilian] will worth high cost for them,” Merabishvili said.

    These detentions follow the arrest of a South Ossetian police official by the Georgian Military Police in the conflict zone on December 5. Viacheslav Kudziev, deputy chief of police in the Ossetian village of Artsevi, was injured in a shootout with a unit from the Georgian Military Police, when the latter tried to arrest him near the Georgian village of Ergneti.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



    posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 09:15 PM
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    They have exchanged detainees. I don´t know for what reason Georgia arrested the South Ossetian officials, but it was pretty bold of the South Ossetians to "arrest" four Georgian military policemen for "possessing drugs"...



    Civil Georgia: S.Ossetian Official: Tskhinvali, Tbilisi Exchange Detainees

    2005-12-07 18:18



    Interior Minister of breakaway South Ossetian Mikhail Mindzaev denied on Wednesday that the South Ossetian side detained Georgian civilians on December 6, but confirmed that four Georgian policemen were arrested for possessing drugs, the South Ossetian Press and Information Committee reported.

    “None of the civilian have been detained by us in the conflict zone. We have only arrested four Georgian policemen for possessing drugs. After negotiations with the representatives of the law enforcement agencies of Georgia and with mediation by the Joint Peacekeeping Forces, we have agreed to exchange these policemen for four employees of the Leningori district administration in order to defuse tensions,” Mikhail Mindzaev said.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



    posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 12:41 AM
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    Abkhazia official believes Georgia is preparing a new war. "Georgian-Abkhaz war will break out when the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline begins full operation", he said...


    Interfax: Abkhazia official fears Georgia is preparing new war


    Sukhumi believes a renewal of Georgian-Abkhaz fighting is a possibility and is sure that Tbilisi is preparing for it.

    "The Georgian authorities lack time. They failed to settle the conflict politically, because we defined our course long ago, and that is independence and Abkhazia can accept neither extended autonomy nor special status. Tbilisi has begun a buildup," Abkhaz Defense Minister, Lt. Gen. Sultan Sosnaliyev said in an interview published by in the Nezavisimaya Gazeta newspaper on Friday.

    U.S. experts train Georgian soldiers and officers study abroad. Modern arms and equipment are delivered to the country. Military training is carried out constantly. They are creating this army for a reason," Sosnaliyev said. In his opinion, Georgian-Abkhaz war will break out when the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline begins full operation.

    Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



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