Originally posted by shaunybaby
victory? what in the world are you on about. you said anything is defendable, when it's clearly not.
You can defend something, but that doesnt mean you will be sucessful.
there you go again with the smart comments, and you have the nerve to say i'm acting my 'young' age. i already said the officer 'physically'
handled de menezes. it is also believed that the bombs from 7/7 and 21/7 were in rucksacks, not strapped to the body.
I'm a hypocrit, so sue me.
I have quite a bit nerve, its the sciatic nerve.
He was physically handleded the man, what does that mean??
He touched him?
Felt him up?
Bombs come in other sizes.
the classic yeah it does, no it doesn't arguement
Yup arnt classics great.
No need to pay road tax on them ethier.
In response to the comment, they are quite legally able to do so.
hitler, in his mind, was right in everything he did. however, in my opinion he was wrong. hitler's interpretation of right and wrong is obviously
different to mine. however, when you say what is 'morally' right and 'morally' wrong, hitler's arguement no longer stands up.
Thats the very point, its about interpretation and opinion.
Also what is "moraly" right depends on your morals.
the same as in your opinion the shooting of de menezes was right, and you'll defend the police, whereas in my opinion it was wrong...they are both
interpretations. however, morally it was wrong. fact. this is because you have to forget all outside arguements and say 'an innocent man was
killed', which is morally wrong even if the police do it.
Acording to who's morals?
Dont try and produce it as a fact because you and I both know its not black and white.
plently of people outstay their welcome in the uk, doesn't mean they should be shot. if you want that kind of tolerance towards them then don't let
them in the country in the first place.
Yeah and plenty of people here are illegal and if they went back to where they were from we wouldnt have the problems we have wth them today.
He had a visa, how could we know he wouldnt leave when it was up?
that ideology screams out 'idiot'.
Yeah in your opinion, how about mine?
well i can understand you may make mistakes about how many shots were fired as they were probably fired very close together. however, i don't think
saying de menezes was wearing a ''bulky, padded, winter coat'' is a mistake, that's an outright lie.
No its a mistake, in the heat of a moment, colours blend.
One guys jacket could have been on another.
Its called shock.
the firearms unit didn't stop to think. they rushed on the train after the surviellence officers had stopped de menezes, and opened fire. the
firearms unit did not wait to see if the man went for a bomb, did not wait to access the situation, did not wait to see if the man was a threat.
In the firearms cant "wait and see" they need to act.
Its there job and there purpose, otherwise they would be called the wait and see unit NOT SO-19.
What they see as a threat is the enemy to them.
and also according to you ''probably thought'' is enough for a police officer to fire his weapon. and you wonder why i resort to personal attacks,
when you make comments like that?
Yeah it is enough, its called self defence.
If someone walks up to you with a knife do you stand and wait until he stabs you before acting or do run before it or do you fight before that?
Sine when is "probably thought" makeing you resort to personel attacks?
Its what would have happened because THATS how they are trained.
acting my age? exactly how should i act according to you then? sit back and let you make irrational arguments, watch you make idiotic comment after
idiotic comment about this scenario? sorry to burst your bubble but it's true. yes it's my opinion, but morally your arguement stinks.
Acording to T+C, also you shouldnt care how you should act acording to me, you are your own person.
I havent said anything idiotic nor irational, THATS your opinion.
Morally my argument stands.
it is really as simple as that 'black and white'. there were only two options that day, shoot him, or don't shoot him. that's how simple it was.
that's how quickly a choice was made to take an innocent man's life that day.
The world is not black and white, if you believe that then your doomed.
They had more than 2 options, they chose the kill option, it happened tough S.
who cares? rifle = firearm = handgun = gun = weapon = death.
Rifle: Not gun.
Weapon: Possible death.
Originally posted by asala
Ok lets tone things down a little, lets focus on the topic.
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