New World Order or Not

I find it odd how people are so easily offended by the conspiracy type ideas. "Conspiracy theorists" are a large part of what keeps things in check. If there weren't people out there asking, "well what the hell, that doesn't make any sense", then who would stand in the way?

While I have not seen a smoking gun on anywhere on these threads, I do find the information I have found on this site, and others, disturbing. And even more disturbing, is the lack of the average person to even discuss the topic. To even say "9/11 may have been a plot by the American Government to gain support from the public" to a person, will gain nothing but a bewildered look from their face.

Sure, you could throw Northwoods -- the publicy admitted plot to gain approval through government conspired terrorist attacks -- in their face, but as we all know, that causes nothing but triggering of their defensive mechanisms. They will spout patriotic propaganda and nothing else.

Can anyone really explain how three steel structures fell from small, sporadic fires in one day? Can anyone explain why there was no government response to these hijacked planes? Or even better, can anyone explain why no independant investigations of 9/11 was allowed? Nope.

And yet people walk around all day believing without a doubt that al Qaeda is our enemy, and our government is the only friend we have to destroy them. This is their reality.

Now imagine trying to tell these people that a group that has existed since the days of the grail is in control our government to set up a one government partrolled world. It's futile. The fact is, we won't know for a fact unless it happens.

And whether it's a giant conspiracy or just as the news portrays it, it seems we are screwed either way.

[edit on 24-7-2005 by white4life420]

was this too much to read?

You have a point.
Yes most people walk around wearing blinkers that they can only see what their Governments tell them to see, and that is a dangerous thing, if I walked around with blinkers on I would never have started thinking for myself, I would be another Government controlled "Zombie".
And trying to tell these "Zombies" that they have to see the light the more they try to hide behind the fact they are scared and won't think otherwise.

I too get frustrated when people will not take the time to hear you out, or even consider some alternate views in the slightest. I know how a lot of you must feel who actually do consider all possibilities, and believe and know that many people are no more than sheep being taken for a ride. You want to help and try to make them realise but it is very hard to do. Time is running out too, and people had better start de-programming for their, and everyone else's sake.

Originally posted by white4life420
"9/11 may have been a plot by the American Government to gain support from the public"...

I have no doubt that this is true and have been frustrated with the ignorance of the American public for many years. The last presidential election validated a quote from an old political science professor of mine.

"No one has ever lost an election by under estimating the intelligence of the American people." -- Dr. Warren Kostroski

Think of the new world order as a funnel going into a drain, and it is all for the benefit of 12 people or corporations who give nothing and take everything, putting taxes higher and sucking the life out of countries everywhere. Naturally some of the 12 people revolt a little to "feed their sheep," but mostly they are rebutted by the "majority." We need a new world order whose direction and emphasis is as that above and which is the current essential model, killing and destroying people, like we need a chronic disease.

Since the general direction of any New World Order currently conceived has that emphasis, the resounding response is no.

Anyone who studies systems theory knows from statistics and experience that decentralization yields stability and life, while centralization gives reign to chaos and death sooner or later. Centralization is essentially blind and works technical marvels with the same results, the same as Hansens disease destroys the nervous system gradually and deforms the health of the body as in nations. It requires far more wisdom than any of the dim bulbs whose sole concern is gaining blobs of money and power to make over centralization and kleptocracy to "work." Leave things to families, communities and then consider these to be advisory directly to any central government or world order to the greatest extent possible. Otherwise expect the same end to civilizations everywhere as extinction polices prevail for illusory profit. The evidence in the archaeological record shows the same layers, prosperity followed by excessive taxation, ending in mass graves. Who needs a centralized system for that purpose?

Anyone who studies systems theory knows from statistics and experience that decentralization yields stability and life, while centralization gives reign to chaos and death sooner or later. Centralization is essentially blind and works technical marvels with the same results, the same as Hansens disease destroys the nervous system gradually and deforms the health of the body as in nations. It requires far more wisdom than any of the dim bulbs whose sole concern is gaining blobs of money and power to make over centralization and kleptocracy to "work."

Nice analysis, SkipShipman. I agree completely.

Americans have been severely dumbed down over the past few decades, encouraged to amuse themselves with their 9 to 5 jobs and quarter-million $$$ mortgages, and Hummers and similar trash. This all comes at a massive cost to the third world, but we don't have to actually see those children starve, so what's the problem?

Everyone should read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. In this book (written in 2004) you will see how America has conducted an economic war against the poorest and least educated nations on Earth. Perkins was an EHM, and in his book he describes how EHMs went in to a lot of countries (Panama, Saudi Arabia, Iraq) and tried to saddle those nations with massive debt to cripple them, perpetually. If that didn't work, as Perkins says, the jackals would move in and use force or destabilization to get their way. So if you are a capitalist, you must accept the un-american nature of some of the US's actions.

To me, the NWO reveals itself most clearly in the battle between capitalism and socialism/communism. These systems are two sides of the same coin, and we are fooled into arguing about them, not to mention killing for them. Really though, both capitalism and communism require humans, like how a motor needs oil/fuel. As a result of these system's dependence on human oil/fuel, both capitalism and communism will ALWAYS be corrupted by the very oil/fuel inside their motors. Capitalism becomes Gordon-Gecko-style greed and elitism (self defeating in the end), and communism will always become totalitarian due to the irresistable nature of power.

Every time someone accepts one side, communism or capitalism, they can passionately defend their side. The communist says "let the state control the money" but then the state is hijacked by the commissars. The capitalist says "The free market works and we just have to train the poor." but that's a lie, and in fact capitalism is synonymous with slavery, since humans are 'capital'. That's why your corporation has a department called "Human Resources". That's what you are to either side: A human resource, to be mined, compressed or disposed of just like any other 'resource'.

So to me, the problem lies at the core of the financial lies we have been told. We are encouraged to take sides as either a capitalist or a socialist, but in so doing, we are accepting the gameboard as it has been laid out.

There really is no reason to play this game. As Skip points out, decentralization, not just of government, but of our own IDEAS will protect us longer. More people need to spend more time inside their own heads, coming up with their own opinions. So long as each of us cheer for teams who are actually two sides of the same bank-controlled coin, little will change, IMO.


[edit on 11-8-2005 by smallpeeps]

That's why your corporation has a department called "Human Resources". That's what you are to either side: A human resource, to be mined, compressed or disposed of just like any other 'resource'.

Nice line smallpeeps! In response to all other posts this is what coins the term "sheeple" because that is exactly what we are. We are told what they think we want to hear and we are programmed to believe what we are told. Most people want that woobie or security blanket as protection for what lurks outside their own environment. I think this is why people have the caught in the headlights look in their eyes when you mention that our government could be responsible for this that and the other.

We are encouraged to a degree to choose sides and express opinions for that side, but again as smallpeeps said it's not an independant game board, the sides have already been laid out.

white4life said: I find it odd how people are so easily offended by the conspiracy type ideas. "Conspiracy theorists" are a large part of what keeps things in check. If there weren't people out there asking, "well what the hell, that doesn't make any sense", then who would stand in the way?


I can tell ya what it is,,,many folks are really pod people. Yep, just like in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The media is trying to infiltrate it into our subconcious with all the new Alien movies coming out this fall. primetimetv.about.com...

This new movie will explain that the ones that have been taken over dont even know it themselves that they are posessed by an alien entity

Makes sense to me

We are encouraged to a degree to choose sides and express opinions for that side, but again as smallpeeps said it's not an independant game board, the sides have already been laid out.

Yeah. Capitalists will say that banks do the world a favor by lending out the reserves of other members, but the problem is that the banking system creates a world in which Gross Domestic Product becomes the compass for determining a country's economic health. Unfortunately, GDP is an anti-human term which only helps capitalists at the higher levels. GDP will never be a tool for the poorest half of the world. It's a concept that keeps them in poverty, frankly.

Notice how at the end of Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged, while John Galt and his buddies are in their mountain paradise gleefully watching the world die, it is the BANKER, Midas Mulligan, who sits down and re-writes the American Constitution. What does that tell you?

Zak De La Rocha has a lyric that describes it pretty well:

"I got no property but yo, I'm a piece of it!"

[EDIT:]

...Ahh, somebody reminded me that it was actually not the banker, who writes the constitution in Atlas Shrugged. Damn! Ignorance denied.

NWO still evil tho'.


[edit on 11-8-2005 by smallpeeps]