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reply posted on 26-7-2005 @ 10:24 AM by EngineMan2145
Originally posted by Seekerof
This is the second time you have asked me this.
Can I allow this to answer your question?
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seekerof

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Ahh, okay, sorry man, the first time I asked, I missed your response I guess (sorry about that). That's awesome though. Pararescueman are one of the hardest Special Operations components to join (not that you wouldn't know).


reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 05:09 PM by Seekerof
Well, I just realized where the Mach 1.72 figure came from.....it came from the latest book by Jay Miller called Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor

Mr. Miller asserts that the F-22 can supercruis at Mach 1.72, which he then notes as actually being Mach 1.82+. Mr. Miller then goes on to say that the F-22 has been officially clocked at having a top speed of Mach 2.25+, which he then asserts is faster than has been previously officially acknowledged.

He goes on to mention that the F-22 has a sustained G which is Mach 1.8 at 6G's, and having a roll rate of 100 degrees per second, while carrying an internal 22,000lb. full load of JP-8. That the F-22 has a service ceiling of 65,000 feet, but would operate mainly around the mid-50,000 feet range to maximize its inherent advantages.

More evil things mentioned about the Raptor by Mr. Miller:

* Third, this is a dogfighter. The aircraft can maneuver into realms of the flight regime that would put other fighters into deep stalls and spins. To help the aircraft through these regimes are a pair of Pratt & Whitney F119 engines with vectoring exhaust nozzles.

* Finally, the F-22 is the most automated (computer-controlled) machine in the sky. The pilot still moves the stick, throttles and rudders, but computers manage the aerodynamics, engines, sensors, communications, countermeasures, etc. In short, if they could have spared the radar cross-section, there'd be a dome behind the cockpit representing the head of R2-D2.






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reply posted on 28-7-2005 @ 11:28 PM by Deny0rder
www.edwards.af.mil...

Straight from edwards airforce base.

Commenting on the flight, Lt. Col. C. D. Moore, F-22 Combined Test Force commander here, said: "Sustaining the target Mach was not difficult for the Raptor. The difficulty was keeping the Raptor from going faster than the target speed. Yesterday, the airplane demonstrated that it can achieve awesome speed, flying above Mach 1.5 at a low power setting, for a sustained period of time. No other fighter in the world can do that.


Lockheed Martin says :


Performance estimates give the F-22 a speed of Mach 1.5 in non-afterburning supercruise mode, and a speed of Mach 2.0 or above with afterburner. Service ceiling is thought to be over 15 kilometers (50,000 feet) and the maximum range is believed to be over 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles). Flight tests demonstrate that the F-22 combines good handling characteristics with very high maneuverability. The F-22 is 18.9 meters (62 feet) long, with a wingspan of 13.6 meters (44.5 feet) and a height of 5.2 meters (17 feet). While the USAF is quiet about many of the Raptor's specifications, it is estimated to have an empty weight of about 15 tonnes (16.5 tons) and a fully loaded weight of about 27 tonnes (30 tons).



The term "supercruise" may confuse people into thinking that is the term for its top speed, which it is not. Supercruise is the term for its LOW powered supersonic flight. The F-22's ability to supercruise at speeds ABOVE Mach 1.5 at a LOW power setting is accomplished by its high output fuel efficient jet engines, and its vectored thrust. The vectored thrust can shrink its size, accomplishing what I would call the garden hose effect. Have you ever pushed your thumb over the end of a garden hose in order to get more thrust? Im sure you have.

If the F-22 can fly Mach 1.5 at a low setting, imagine what it can do at a high setting! Then add afterburn to that high speed supercruise. Mach 3.0 should not be ruled out. I know its possible with this craft.

They claim they built this jet for 3 reasons. Stealth, Manuverability, AND Speed. Not just Stealth and Manuverability.

Someone stated the speed would increase its IR signature and would compromise stealth. That is false, they designed this jet so that its engines exhaust is deap inside the fuselage to hide most heat. Its high aerodynamics and special design reduces its radar cross section (RCS), and reduces friction with air to give it a much smaller heat signature.

IntelGirl says that stealth compromised its speed because the jet was built WITHOUT variable geometry inlets. Variable geometry inlets are used to change the size of the jet engines air intake, to optimize for speed. You would think that because the F-22 was built with fix inlets it would compromise speed, but Lockheed has removed that problem. They designed the inlets for optimized air intake for the two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines (155.69 kN / 35,000 lb st with afterburning each) so that while in supersonic flight the engines will not starve for air. They are tuned for the purpous of speed, and still keep its stealth. Pilots of the F-22 are trained to only reach supersonic flights at a predetermined altitude for max preformance.



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reply posted on 29-7-2005 @ 08:28 AM by Deny0rder
Well... I never said the jet would be completly stealth durning its high speed flight above mach 2.0. I hinted that its IR signature would be drasticaly lower than one might think.. Theoreticaly a jet producing that much power and traveling at that speed would raise its IR becase of many different factors. But let me tell you that there was a lot of research, and testing that went into the design of this aircraft. Some of which is still classified. Methods to reduce and hide or store heat would include the use of exotic metals, special machining techniques to disperse and rid away heat like a heatsink on a computer cpu, and thermal insulation that can stop or slow conduction of heat, from solid to solid, and gas to solid, and even liquid to solid.

www.school-for-champions.com...





I also wonder what 'high aerodynamics' means and how they differ from 'low aerodynamics'?


I made a mistake.. i ment to say HIGH SPEED Aerodynamics often called compressible aerodynamics.

www.vzlu.cz...
www.grc.nasa.gov...

Apposed to LOW SPEED Aerodynamics.

www.vzlu.cz...


Originally posted by RichardPrice
The presense of afterburners would massively compromise any stealth design, by increasing the IR output several hundred times. This is the whole point of supercruise


No, the WHOLE point of supercruise is not just for stealth, it is also for range. To save fuel, and have maximum speed.

What I tried to say, was that at supersonic speeds, the jets stealth IS NOT fully compromised because of its design. You said it was COMPLETLY COMPROMISED, which is false. I understand that using the afterburners would raise the heat in the rear, but with a jet like the raptor, you wouldnt need 100% stealth when you can out run any missle, jet, or threat. Afterburners are almost like rockets, its a direct fuel feed to the engines exhaust. Afterburners would increase the heat A LOT but heat-resistant components give the vectoring nozzles of the jets exhaust the durability needed to vector thrust, even in afterburner conditions and has features that contribute to the aircraft stealth requirements (which are classified).

Here is a lot about the engines:
www.globalsecurity.org...



back to the subject... I firmly believe this jet can reach mach 3.0 max.


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