Iraq’s WMD – Hidden in Syria

Originally posted by Nygdan
Iraq was a state that funded international terrorists and even permited terror groups to train in their borders. It was also a state that had previously engaged in expansionistic wars under the direction of its Dictator. It was also a state that had already had the full brunt of diplomatic sanctions used against it. And it also engaged in secret weapons programs and did not reveal the full scope of its chemical manufacturing infrastructure to the impartial UN Inspectors. Clearly, the only options were to leave it under sanctions, or engage in war. And since the rest of the world was starting to make moves to remove the sanctions, the only option left for the US was to engage in war.

While I am sure saddam may have had some kind of terror training camps, I still contend it is not over until the fat lady sings. The WMDs may be in Syria or they may well be still buried inside of Iraq. That is one big desert and very easy to dig a few holes and bury tons in one or two hours. They already found those two purported trucks that could have been possible WMD labs although they were clean, but that does not mean they could not have been put into use had saddam remained in power.

With all the fighting still going on little if any searches are being done since we have to fight rather then look. I am willing to bet there are 100s if not thousands of square miles that yet to be searched thoroughly, so to say he does not have WMDs for certain is ludicrous.


Keep in mind how long it took after the end of WWI in Germany for the US and allies to find all the hiddren treasure the German Army stole from France and other countries.

Many still think all of it has not been recovered yet and that is 60 years

www.radio.cz...

more here
In one lake near Strasburg, gold bars and hundreds of thousands of English pounds were recovered in 1957. The treasure was in strong boxes and chests and submerged in the icy blackness of a stone quarry.

www.theoutlaws.com...

Just wanted to show that if it can take that long to find things in Germany it could very well take that long to find WMD's in Iraq

[edit on 8/5/2005 by shots]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Iraq was a state that funded international terrorists and even permited terror groups to train in their borders.

The size of the problem with Iraq was several times smaller than the real terrorist training camps and madrassahs educating the next generation of terrorists that are located in Pakistan these days and funded with mainly Saudi money. Trying to do something about terrorism by attacking Iraq is a drop in a bucket of water as long as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan do business as usual. Besides, the only big "terror group" they allowed to train within their borders were the Mujaheddin El Khalq, which the US labeled a terrorist group for political reasons only. It was to be able to use that fact in its propaganda war against Iraq, to demonstrate to the US public that Iraq trained a terrorist group within its borders. Nevermind that some in the US now regret that decision and are thinking of using the MEK to harass Iran, as Saddam used to do.

Originally posted by Nygdan
It was also a state that had previously engaged in expansionistic wars under the direction of its Dictator.

It was also a state no longer capable of engaging in expansionistic wars. You by the way say it like it is a bad thing. Do you think perhaps the Iraq war is NOT an expansionistic war by the US? That's just plain naive.

Originally posted by Nygdan
And it also engaged in secret weapons programs and did not reveal the full scope of its chemical manufacturing infrastructure to the impartial UN Inspectors.

It was SUSPECTED of being engaged in secret weapons programs and did not always cooperate that well, on the contrary. I admit that. There has been found no evidence in 2003 that there were still ongoing illegal weapons programs apart from the Al Samoud 2 missiles which were slightly over their allowed range and diameter.

[edit on 5-8-2005 by Simon666]

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
not Syria. Out of the 10 000 people in abu gharib 9700 are IRAQI, and only about 300 are from other countries. Can you explain that in your minds, or are you just going to double think?

Belive me, if you where fighting Syria, you would have already lost the war.

(1) The reason that not many foreigners are captured is that, they are to busy strapping bombs on themsleves and killing women and children....The others sneak back across the border to Syria or Iran.

We are not stupid.


As for the second statement, I am so scared of Syria, they have shown a pretty good showing of themsleves in the last few wars, especially their pilots. I mean they sure kicked them Jews ass in 1982 over the Bekka Valley.



Syria would be much harder to take than Iraq(2003). But, This 'imaginary' war would be short lived, they would hold up no better than they would against Isreal....maybe worse.

Nygdan

Perhaps your right about the contracting torture thing , or perhaps they are in guantanomo, or perhaps they where released 2 months ago, when the number of abu gharib prisoners was reduced from 10 thousand to 7 thousand.

Nygdan. Don't get me wrong, i do wish Iraq's allies where doing far far more, but the resistance is Iraqi, about 90% of it. They either join the Mehdi army, or they are fighting in the northern cities. Even you admit the Sunni Iraqies are fighting you in Iraq, and even you admit the Mehdi Shia are Iraqi. As for what my family think, ofcource they know the resistance is Iraqi because they themselves are the Iraqi resistance. The only foreign fighters they have encountered are the US soldiers.

As for your comments about Iraq and 9/11.
“US President George Bush has said there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks.”
news.bbc.co.uk...
And it is widely known that Saddam and the supposed “al Qaeda” where no allies, since Saddam is Secular socialist with little or no religion. Among other reasons ofcource.

Edsinger

Well if that’s your reason for not capturing “foreign fighters” then what’s your reason for capturing so many iraqies? Why the raids on Iraqi homes, if your saying the partisans are not Iraqi .

Double think, it’s an amazing thing.

As for your other comments, The Golan will have it's time, but don't forget how Syria kicked Israel out of south lebanon. And please do not forget 1973. I repeat, don't delude yourself into thinking your fighting the Syrians, if you where fighting the Syrian, you would have already lost.

Syria would be much harder to take than Iraq(2003).

heh heh, indeed, Syria is not a country without cards to play. But It won't matter anyway though, because you won't get a chance to even try, since you haven't even taken iraq yet. The Iraqies will end your imperialism, As russia ended germanies' in world war 2.

Let’s do a bit of math shall we
From your own numbers as shots has demonstrated.
60 % of the anti-occupation POW’s are held in abu gharib, of them about 1% (92/7500 * 100), yes 1 % are foreign fighters. So what are the odds that it’s an Iraqi resistance fighter planting those IED’s?

Besides, The resistance Dress Iraqi, they look Iraqi, and if you hear them, they talk in Iraqi accents (which Syrians have trouble understanding most of the time). If it looks like a chicken, and awlks like a chicken, it’s a chicken , does that sound logical to you?

And why do you think the US was forced to Admit the Resistance POW’s is covered by the Geneva convention? (they admit it publicly but they don’t act like it privately) They wouldn’t have conceded that if they didn’t know they where fighting iraqies.


[edit on 7-8-2005 by Syrian Sister]

Originally posted by Syrian SisterAs for your other comments, The Golan will have it's time,

but don't forget how Syria kicked Israel out of south lebanon. And please do not forget 1973.

I repeat, don't delude yourself into thinking your fighting the Syrians, if you where fighting the Syrian, you would have already lost.

Oh they did huh? Well I seem to remember the US pressuring Isreal to LEAVE southern Lebanon.

No offense SS but you have a deluded picture of history.

Every time the Israelies met the Syrians on the battlefield it was a bit one sided. I only believe this to be the case because of better training...

I found something else on this (not new, but more):

www.frontpagemag.com...

"...Jordan recently seized 20 tons of chemicals trucked in by confessed al-Qaeda members who brought the stuff in from Syria. The chemicals included VX, Sarin and 70 others. But the media seems curiously incurious about whether one could reasonably trace this stuff back to Iraq. Had the terrorists released a "toxic cloud," Jordanian officials say 80,000 would have died!..."

And more:

www.frontpagemag.com...

...Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units....

[edit on 9-11-2005 by skippytjc]

FrontPageMagazine is incredibly slanted and not the most reliable source of information. The Jordanians never gave any information about what was among the chemicals except for sulfuric acid, which can act as a blister agent, but can more commonly increase the size of conventional explosions. Sulfuric acid is by the way chemicals students handle in highschool and that are widely commercially available and used in countless civilian industrial applications. The assertion that there was sarin and vx in it was never made by the Jordanians but can be tracked back to extreme rightwing rags featuring a goofball called John Loftus, also author of such lovely articles as How the Bush family made its fortune from the Nazis. Which you will not see on those extreme rightwing rags, selective quoting and "intelligence" you see. The standard thorughout the runup to the Iraq war, only read what you wish to see and what fits your goals.

I believe they were there and I have heard through the grapevine that the Iraqis did have some nerve gas left, sarin to be exact. There is a good reason for not letting this information out, I have my guess.


And yes, some did go to the Beka valley, we are just not sure what kind. This we know through Jordanian InTEL, which is one of the best in the Middle East.

Originally posted by edsinger
And yes, some did go to the Beka valley, we are just not sure what kind. This we know through Jordanian InTEL, which is one of the best in the Middle East.

Silly me who thought Syria has left Lebanon (for the geography deprived: where the Beka valley is) now, without anyone noticing them take anything suspicious or whatever. Nevermind the sillyness of storing such things in a country that is not your own and where you might have to leave soon.

Originally posted by Simon666
Silly me who thought Syria has left Lebanon (for the geography deprived: where the Beka valley is)

Nope silly me, Are you sure they really 'left'????....better check on that one.....

Edsinger,

Haven't seen you in a while! Was starting to worry, where ya been?

-sour

A little while ago i attended a talk in our local church, the talk was given by Canon Andrew White who stated without any hesitation that "we know that the WMD in Iraq were moved to Syria".

This guy moves amongst the big boys and certainly is'nt the kind to just blurt out something like that without good cause.

Canon Andrew White

CX.

Originally posted by edsinger
Nope silly me, Are you sure they really 'left'????....better check on that one.....

Prove the minority opinion they haven't.

Originally posted by CX
A little while ago i attended a talk in our local church, the talk was given by Canon Andrew White who stated without any hesitation that "we know that the WMD in Iraq were moved to Syria".

This guy moves amongst the big boys and certainly is'nt the kind to just blurt out something like that without good cause.

Canon Andrew White

How does anti muslim and pro-administration-lies sound as "good cause"?

Originally posted by Simon666
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How does anti muslim and pro-administration-lies sound as "good cause"?

How do you figure he's anti muslim? Have you read who the guy is? What he does? Who he's helped in the past and presently? I'd hardly say he'd be doing that if he was anti muslim?

CX.

Well, if he'd actually have some evidence instead of just saying it, it would be nice.

Well it would seem that the Middle East is becoming a hot zone and Syria in under the gun. I wonder just what is in that ol Bekka valley? This thought that the WMD's were moved should not be dismissed just out of hand, there is SOMETHING to it, of this I am convinced.

If saddam did hide HIDE his wmd's,
I would of expected the insurgents within Iraq to of used them by now.

They dont care about brutal violent murder - the beheadings are evidence of this
They dont care for the lives of innnocence AROUND them - the mass car bombs are evidence of this
And they are prepared to go to any lengths to harm the Coalition - booby trapping US soilder corpses is evidence.
So why wouldnt they of lobbed arty shells laced with agents into the greenzone?

What would hte US doo? not as if they can strike back against ONLY insurgents.

There were never any WmD's in IRAQ like what the US said there were.
They wernt SHIPPED to another country.

Why cant people understand the US government LIED!

Originally posted by edsinger
This thought that the WMD's were moved should not be dismissed just out of hand,
there is SOMETHING to it, of this I am convinced.

I would like to say, I agree with you 100% in this assessment. All those convoys going to Syria had something in them leading upto the invasion of Iraq.

I have said this for many years now, to whoever would listen, but much as seen here, it's an uphill battle.

I just wished to note, you are not alone in this thought.

Ciao

Shane

To tell you the truth, the writing does not seem like someone is a diplomate. It a bit hard to read.


Another thing in the letter it says that thw WMD is been transport by Abulance and you said oil.

WMD is not like some grecoery stuff. As well as Iraq had no export or inport in its country during the Clinton Era.

Originally posted by Shane
All those convoys going to Syria had something in them leading upto the invasion of Iraq.

How come if everyone knows them and claims Israeli and US intelligence has sat pics of them, noone can show them? Most likely all there would be to see are the usual oil trucks trying to get out of war's way.