Bastards.....

How can you honestly say Russia won WW2?! The United States saved England, Poland, and France, eradicted the Italian Front, the African Front, Beat Japan down to the stature of a crippled child, saved China... Without the western pressure of the United States on Germany, Stalins head would've been on a plate.

Russia won the war, John Bull, is by far more ignorant than anything the Wizard has spoke of.

Originally posted by FULCRUM

The Russia got kick azz in 1941..

US and UK arived at Normady in June 1944.. at that time Russians where chasing the routet remains of German army at eastern front..

It was the Russians that took the Berlin..

SO mr Bull and UNI, why did Churchill send Patton all the way through Italy when he was marching directly to Berlin? Oh yeah, and why did they make him wait at the gates for the Russians to arrive? hmmmmm

Forgive my ignorance but my knowledge of the Eastern Front and Germany's entire involvement with WW2 comes from my 86 year old neighbor, Guenther Thiedemann, a german solder, who told me it was so cold that piss would smoke and freeze before it hit the ground, but let me take your word for it, you were there right? wHAT ABOUT THE BURNT FIELDS? THE RUSSIANS SHOOTING THEIR OWN? HMMM, I PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN YOU THINK, BUT by all means continue to judge me as an American idiot, I guess the whole superpower thing happened by accident right?

LOL

Shining Wizard started dissing all non-Americans.. mainly Russians.. i just wanted to point out to him that they are the only reason why we have a "free world".. and he really should respect them..

Called them "spineless"..

[Edited on 22-8-2003 by FULCRUM]

Well in a hissy fit SW said Russians were cowards.

Originally posted by nyeff
I'm wondering what all these history lessons have to do with the topic at hand.

nothing nyeff, but hey im getting a good history lesson and im learning new things

The decisive victor in WW2 was decided when Communism fell. We pummeled Russias disastrous economy into the dirt.

I'm with SW all the way on this one.

Originally posted by FULCRUM
Shining Wizard started dissing all non-Americans.. mainly Russians.. i just wanted to point out to him that they are the only reason why we have a "free world".. and he really should respect them..

Called them "spineless"..

[Edited on 22-8-2003 by FULCRUM]

But then again whats new? Read the thread again


Back on topic, we don't really need your help, but we want your support, if you don't want to give it, then oh well, don't call on us for monetary help, and where do you get off that i am dissing every nation in the world? Just russia and only because you tried to make them what they are not.

Monetry Help???

You have got any!

Your spending money now you have not got.Wake Up!!

OMFG! You are the most ignorant people i have "met" when it comes to ww2..

If you have a ADSl.. then start with these:

www.sharereactor.com...

Originally posted by John bull 1
I can fully understand why Shining Wizard hopes that the International community might now come in and clean up the mess left by the "Coalition".

All without giving up control of Iraq of course.

1/French troops get killed instead.

2Germany has to pay for it.

3/Russian troops take over from those US troops who've had their tour extended.So that they can rest up and attack the next country without UN authorisation.

Get a life Shining Wizard.Your mess you clear it up unless you want to give up control.

OK, I'm not trying to be nit picky here, but what kind of action is that coming from a mod???? "Get a life Shining Wizard, your mess you clear it up"??? Come on.

Lets quit throwing mud around now.

1. First off, Shining Wizard may be going about posting in a brash manner, but HE had NOTHING to do with W Shrub sending our men into battle without UN backing. Hell, Shining Wizard had about as much to do with that as I had to do with the Vietnam war (I was born in 78, do the math). So why the hell is it all of a sudden Shining Wizards mess????? Total BS. Fact is, right now, it's really starting to look like everyones mess. And I mean everyone. GLOBAL!!!!!

2. I will agree that Shining Wizard may not have the facts straight when it comes from past wars. Yeah, the Russians definitely were not "spineless". In fact, they are the number one threat to america now. They have plenty of back bone. But no need to call SW names over mixed up information.

3. I come back to the MODs reaction. That was no way for a mod to behave. You are supposed to be here keeping all of the rest of us from acting that way. Please try to lead by example. You cannot expect the rest of us to act civily if you are not acting civily yourself.

4. Lastly, I dunno where you got off calling it SW mess anyways, cause the thing under your Avatar says you are in the UK. So if it's SWs mess, it's as much yours.

Respectfully.

You are welcome to report my post if you want.

If u think about WWII, Russia were the ones who took Berlin so they won the war. US helped us (UK) from being taken over by Nazi Germany.

My grandfather served in WW2. He was a pow who escaped after he was captured at the Battle of the Bulge. Russia lost millions because their country was run by selfish mongaloids. I know alot about WW2, Uninen, and I know if it was not for the US, you'd be speaking German and throwing up a half cocked salute. You are ignorant for believing Russia can substantially claim victory. I'll gladly take this to the debate forum if you'd like, i've been itching for a new grudge match.

Infinite, do you think that without the pressure on Germany from the US that Russia could have actually done anything?

First of all I did not say it was SW's fault.I was using your in the plural sense.Your Country.

Secondly if you have a problem with my posts or anyone elses then report them.

Thirdly,As a Moderator I am entitled to argue my point within the rules.My Moderation must be impartial not my personal beliefs.

It's hilarious how Europeans are so smug thinking they know everything about everythiing, being a WW2 buff myself, I doubt they even put Patton's march into the text books as they were so afraid of Russia that they didn't even let Patton enter Berlin first, he had to wait. He pretty much stated the cold war by pissing at the Russians when they walked by, did he not?

And let's carry on (hoping this get's moved to the debate forum) who bomber Germany every day? Russia? Nope, Britain? Nope, US, yup, no one had more ordinance then we did, we leveled the german machine before Russia got through clearing up the frozed bodies of the Germans and there own deserters.


I am sure JB was a veteren of WW2 so let's get his take.....

let's put it on a scale WW2 German soldier or some mod who's never been any closer to action then WW2 online.

Itchin for a debate

[Edited on 22-8-2003 by Shining Wizard]

Originally posted by John bull 1
You are welcome to report my post if you want.

I feel no need to report your post. I just think that the effor should be made to refrain from personal attacks. Kind of a double standard for a mod to WARN a member for abusive behavior, then turn around and abuse someone else. Just wanted you to take notice.


On the subject, being an American lately has been tough. I hate to say it, but if I were in the top French seats right now, I wouldn't want to join the US in Iraq. Bush and his cronies have yet to show any sign at all that there were WMDs there. They have done nothing but kill people, and now instead of just americans, these Jihad Martyrs are killing anyone they can.

So call me a bad American.

oh god, tag team debates!!!!SW/GGvs.UN/JB1!!

I clearly want this debate, a chance to humble JB would be nice.

The bomber offensive is the greatest joke of all it just killed civilians.. after initial shock it didnt affect the German war industry witch was moved to under ground bunkers.. if you like i will find for you the production figures.. or if you have energy yourself put on google "Albert Speer".. "The production minister" greatest of them all..