Originally posted by chinawhite
I think i know you from another thread.
I have been around promoting the right of the Taiwanese people to self determination. I have been on other threads in here. I also talk about Taiwan
in my blog (www.xanga.com/ludahai) and on my website (www.geocities.com/ludahai), though I haven't updated the later in a while.
If you dont know i am a fujianese. I refer to Min nan as hokkien.
Hokkien is simply the old way to refer to Fujian Province. Minnan is one of the languages and ethnicities associated with the province, but the
proper English term for Minnan is Hoklo (also spelt Holo), and NOT Hokkien.
I am one quarter hokkien one quarter hakka(strange combination) and the rest fujianese(from henan or Hunan china)
That is an interesting combination, though I love Hakka food. I hope you got that benefit of your Hakka heritage.
I speak and understand "taiwanese" and have never lived there, strange isn't it?
Not really. Taiwanese evolved from the Minnan language, though there are differences. My brother in law frequently travels to Fujian and he can talk
with people there (usually those over 40) in Minnan with little trouble (though some technical and modern words are different and some Japanese has
worked its way into Taiwanese). but he tells me that few people there under 40 can speak Minnan (Hoklo).
Min nan is not dying out in china it is expanding. Most fujianese like me have moved overseas(we a known for this). A example is my little
township. it started off as a collective
Not according to my information. The ChiCom government is actively promoting Putonghua. This has resulted in the destruction and damage to local
languages. When I lived in Shanghai, older people typically spoke Wu to one another, but I rarely heard anyone under 20 speaking the language,
prefering to speak Putonghua. As my brother in law has told me when he is in Fujian, few people there under 40 speak it.
We have a population of 200 people but they are mainly older people or very young people. the majority of the working age has already moved
overseas. I have close(came fro the same great-grand parents) family living in italy, britian fance germany and spain. i live in australia and i am
sure i have people living in the US.
THanks for the personal history. Even though we disagree on the issues isn't a reason we can't be friends.
Now back to the topic.
臺 what is this character? i dont know tradtional very well. the word means taiwanese like you said but what does this character mean?
臺 = 台
It is surprising if Pan-blue uses this because taiwanese is not a different language but hokkien disgued as something else
Typically, the pan-Blue elite and other 新住民 (Chinese living in Taiwan) don't. However, the rank and file person who votes Pan-Blue and is
either ethnic Taiwanese or is third generation 新住民 tend to use these terms. They are pretty standard in mass society now.
I would like to see the percentage of mixed aboriginal blood seeing as how many really do have aboriginal blood. The plain aboriginies look
more chinese han than "Austronesian"(right one?)
Incorrect. The Aborigines of Taiwan are considered by many experts to be the progenitors of the Austronesian peoples of Southeast Asia, the Pacific
and Madagascar. They are sometimes referred to as Proto-Austronesian. If you have ever seen a full-blooded Aborigine, they certainly do not look
Chinese. The Minnan people who came to Taiwan in the 17th century generally intermarried because in the early days, few women came to Taiwan from
China. That "blood" became a part of the ethnic blend that developed into modern Taiwan.
And back to the sovernity claim.
japan accepted the Potsdam Proclamation when they agreed to surrender.
However, as it was not a properly ratified peace treaty, it acts only as a cease fire, not a peace treaty. Peace treaties have to be properly
ratified. The Instrument of Surrender does not constitute a treaty.
In the SFPT japan gave up the claim of taiwan when they did not have the terrioty. It was already in ROC hands and already administor by them.
You cannot sign a treaty handing over taiwan if you didn't have diplomatic relatios with the PRC. which was still at a state of war with japan until
However, the technical status the ROC had in Taiwan was that of a belligerant Occupier pending the formation of the final peace treaty, which didn't
occur until 1951 (taking effect in 1952). They were in that status on behalf of the Allied Powers, NOT on their own accord. Once the peace treaty
was signed, and there was no transfer of sovereignty to China, the occupation then became illigitimate in accordance with international law.