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Originally posted by eyewitness86
The link you gave to a prop shop was totally NOT any proof of anything. It does NOT include the person reaching thru the glass and geting the card back!! It is totally different!! If you read the item offered, the GLASS section is included in the trick; you must use a prepared piece of glass. It is a small toy trick that might be funny at a party of drunken teens but not for anyone else and NOT under the conditions we see in the videos. SHOW US ONE VIDEO OF A PERSON DOING THE EVENT USING THOSE CHEAP PROPS YOU LINKED TO.
The glass that Cyril uses is not from a shop and it is not a 75 dollar trick; he uses the glass on a BOAT underway and UNDER WATER. How could you POSSIBLY compare the two? It is as different as day and night. The trick you linked to requires someone to use a small supplied piece of glass with obvious abilities to decive the grade school kids that might be impressed with it. It would have to be used under totally controlled situations.
On the other hand, the ' thru the glass ' events we see Criss and Cyril and David do are all PUBLIC and using glass that was already there are in place, and that could not possible have been the same as the cheap trick you mention. If 75 bucks can buy a way to do the events we see, then why are not legions of Youtube videos showing us the events being done in similar situations?In public, windows that are huge and attached to businesses..NOT some 12/12 inch toy that is meant for kids. Give us a break; if you are going to insist that what we are seeing is just a trick, at least give us something that is close to what we see and not something at a totally different level.
Cyril and the others have NEVER been duplicated, and you do not wonder why. It is because they cannot be duplicated because they are NOT using cheap tricks that anyone can buy; they are using abilities that virtually no one on earth is able to generate. THAT is why you cannot and have not given us ONE example of the events being done under similar circumstances. I could point to some business that sells harnesses and wires, but that has nothing to do with the high levitations where no props were possible, seen, witnessed, photographed or alluded to. Two different things totally.
Lets hear about how Cyril got the company that owns the boat to replace all their glass with the 75 dollar toy you mentioned and how the card got on the outside of that glass while the boat was moving, and with a card signed by the witness. Pavil says a scuba diver was there swimming along with the boat, and you say that for 75 bucks we can do what Cyril did there, right?
My God how low will a denier go to deny relaity? The most LUDICROUS and UNLIKELY excuses are the best that the deniers have to offer, how sad. Their case in chief is that we are all just too stupid to see that a few bucks and a trip to the prop store copuld allow US to perform the same events we see...Right? If so, WHY isn't it being done? TELL US WHY we cannot find ANY proof or evidence or videos of ANYONE repeating the same events WITH the props; that would shut us up. THAT would be actually convincing. But we NEVER do get any proof, do we? NO videos of anyone doing it the same way or even close..NO examples of anyone being able to perform the same events.
NO PROOF. THAT is the deniers biggest point; what does that say? Give us some proof that what you all;ege could be possible or admit defeat like a mature and honest person would.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
No matter HOW MUCH proof we give the rabid deniers never will admit the obvious; they would rather deny than open up and that is a condition that no one
Originally posted by violet
I'm not sure you read what I actually say! I never said I'd experienced a failed healing done on me. I have never gone to a healer. I said I know some people who are healers and have known of people who have (unsuccessfully) used healers. I know of people who have "healed" without using a healer.
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Hmmm...
Do I believe levitation is possible? Yes. There are accounts of it through history, by the yogi's and other people who did so under not so controlled conditions. Do I believe CA has that ability? Not sure-I sort of lean towards no, but anything is possible IMHO.
I definitely enjoy watching his show each week though-It's great entertainment.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
please put a little more investigation into it other than just TV shows…please
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Sorry for overestimating you. You have less experience in the subject matter than I assumed.
You need to go out and experience the energies that people channel for various purposes.
Then you will be able to come in here and provide an informed perspective.
Just how old are you anyway?
Originally posted by eyewitness86
OK Pavil, here you are, a video of Cyril making a card go thru a massive business window in front of many witnesses, and the card is facing out this time!! After you were bold enough to suggest that there is a trap door in the window of the sightseeing boat, CLEARLY UNDERWAY to anyone that can see the motion of the water and bubbles, I should disregard much of what you say; that is simply silly and you know it. There is NO way a trapdoor could be in a glass windowed sightseeing boat and to assume so is nonsense.
Here is Cyril altering the molecular structure of elements, proven and plain. Any way of getting around this one will sound insultingly ridiculous, I am sure: The interior of the building can be seen quite well and is empty. The exact card with signature is inside the window facing out. What more could anyone want?
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Originally posted by Xtrozero
please put a little more investigation into it other than just TV shows…please
I am sure that we would all like to hear about your more in-depth investigation.
Certainly, you can up with something better than TV shows and websites that only explain CA's less impressive feats.
Then again...maybe not.
So, Pavil tell us how they pulled this one off.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Pavil; HERE is the quote of you saying that there is a trick glass on the boat:" Posted by Pavil: You don't even need a diver out there you just need a mechanism to slide the Plexiglass plate with the card in place and then move it at the end."
Don't insult us. If it is so easy to do, WHY in the world has NO ONE else done it? Can you answer that? Oh, yeah, its because not everyone films their duplications of these feats and puts them on Youtube, right?
Yes, the nerve of me. I have stated two ways the "card" could appear on the outside. We never actually see the face of the card just the back. I have never contended that their isn't a card out there, just that is it no the card in question. That is fact.
Sure, Pavil , there was a scuba diver swimming with the boat, albeit invisible. Sure, there was a ' sleight of hand ' that allowed the water to soak the towel and the card on the outside was really NOT on the outside despite the witnesses rubbing the window and verifiying that it was in fact outside. You ask us to DISREGARD MATERIAL REALITY IN FAVOR OF BELIEVING YOUR NONSENSE!!
Isn't that what YOU are asking. The only proof you come up with is the video documentation of trick produced by the magicians own production company. Of course there are not going to be many tell tale signs, they are going to edit out anything obvious, as evidenced by the extreme amount of shot cuts in many of the videos. Magicians use misdirection and you sir have swallowed the hook.
You ask us to IGNORE the evidence and proof and just accept what you say ' just because you say so!
We shall see. It is amazing that you will still blow that off. The same girl being levitated maybe 3-5 years apart is not strange to you. WOW. What exactly do you think the odds are of someone being levitated by CA twice in a span of 5 years and being "never met before" both times? You keep drinking the kool aid, ok?
Originally posted by eyewitness86
If the same girl is used twice it means nothing unless she is represented as being new; show that please. If not then it means nothing.
As far as the glass and the boat..Pavil..please lets be sensible. Look at that video and tell me that you see someone sliding the Plexiglas on that boat to the side. Tell me that you see that window exhibit ANY signs of being other than a standard high pressure glass used for extreme conditions; it is underwater for Gods sake!! It is all one piece. There is NO proof of that glass being any different than the others, all one piece glass and with NO HOLES or slides or anything else.
Still nitpicking. The two tricks while looking similar are not the same. The card never left the boat in the boat trick that is why you never saw it from the other side. The office trick is one many magicians have done and involves a different method of getting the card there. That is why I didn't comment on it. You are confusing two similar looking tricks that have different mechanisms. Still no comment from you why we never see, the other side of the card in the boat trick. If Cyril can do it in the office and fish tank, why doesn't he duplicate it on the boat? Seems out of place to me, but I am sure it is irrelevant to you right?
Then, I present you with a ' card thru glass ' event that has the card facing outwards and you totally ignore that one!! Not even mentioned, eh Pavil? Why not? You said that the card facing in was a big deal and now that we give you what you asked for, what is the excuse there?
Since you cannot see the props, yet assume they must be there, you are denying your own sense and logic and that causes a confusion that must be sublimated with denials to assuage the issues confusion causes.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
If the same girl is used twice it means nothing unless she is represented as being new; show that please. If not then it means nothing.
... However, as a magician, I am bound by the Magician's Oath to not reveal the secrets of any trick or illusion. Let me leave you with this: It does involve a magnet, but the magnet does not perform the actual levitation. If you figure it out, you will probably be disappointed for taking it so seriously