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Originally posted by eyewitness86
So sorry, I thought that this was about Criss Angel..Copperfield means nothing to this discussion as he has never attempted to perform feats off of a stage. Criss is the subject of this because he does things that NO ONE else on earth does. The stage magcicians like Copperfield, who use props, are totally different from the adepts like Criss and David and Cyril.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
The stage magcicians like Copperfield, who use props, are totally different from the adepts like Criss and David and Cyril.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
BTW, you are wrong about Copperfield. He would have had quite a hard time moving the great wall of china and the statue of liberty onto his stage, for example. Countless examples of off stage work exist.
You surprised me by accepting the idea that Copperfield always uses props, when all along you have defended Angel when he was accused of doing so. In the last two weeks, your posts have repeated the same points over and over dozens of times. What is the point? If it is critical to you that others see things your way, your constant repetition of the same points will not achieve that. I had been pretty much in agreement with you until now.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Exactly. Copperfield is a performer who depends on props and set ups and massive staging to pull off ' illusions '. Criss Angel and others are able to perform their events with eyewitnesses up close and no props at all. This is where the rubber meets the road in this issue. There is NO comparison between these people.
Copperfield cannot levitate without props, Randi cannot do anything except criticize others, he is an old washed up stage magician who was so out of date that he had to find a new schtick to survive.
Know what the definition of a loser is? That is the guy in a debate given the task of defending the view that Criss Angel uses props for his high levitations and many other feats that cannot and have NEVER been duplicated by ANYONE on earth ever. That is a losing cause yet we still get the stubborn denialists clinging to their unprovable claims of props where none could be and legions of paid and loyal witnesses, etc.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Paul, it's too bad you missed the China performance by Copperfield, as he performed street magic in it. Maybe you have not seen him do so for some other reason than he cannot. He can, but he may not want to do so for whatever reason.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
When you are in the 7th row, and maybe 20 feet away, you get a very good view. So good that I could see how one of his illusions was done, which to some would be enough to prove he is just using props, etc. But although that may be true, that is not proof it is so. I shook Copperfield's hand after the show and said 'good show' to him. My sense of him at that time was that he had something in his eyes, something very strong. I know that sounds corny, but I see the same thing in Angel and Blaines eyes, and at least one other person. Whatever I sense, I can't say, so take it for what it is, just my own feelings.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I see no value in comparisons, but I will say that I feel Copperfield is at the least a peer of Blaine and Angel, if not a bit better at his craft. I've seen him do many feats that were later done by Angel and Blaine, and even some that I have not seen those two do. Some people are fans of one or the other, and say their favorite is the best, but I don't see any great difference in those three.
Brown I can't comment on.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Many people have abilities science can't explain. Uri Geller, for instance, who has submitted to laboratory testing, and then baffled the scientists who tested him.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Even I myself have done things science is certain are impossible to be real, and yet they are.
But I don't find that surprising anymore. Scientists are constantly learning more, and finding out that they were wrong.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Thanks for allowing the possibility that I saw him fly, because although I don't doubt that there is a real patent, nor that it is in the name of a staffer of his, but I am not convinced that the device is able to achieve what I saw. The explanation of the blue screen, thin wires and a harness, and slits in the box, etc. does not seem to me to be able to be completely hidden from all the viewpoints of the audience. For example, the front row. Would they not see the slits? And even from my seat, at times he was well out above the crowd, far from the stage. Not that I'm saying the patent theory is wrong, just that I am not convinced it is the answer. Besides, I went to 3 shows of his, once watching from row 7, and I saw numerous feats that I have yet to see any explanation for.
Originally posted by Paul_RichardNo good reason comes to mind.
I don't doubt your appraisal - from your eyewitness testimony - that David Copperfield can levitate in his shows. ...doesn't it strike you as odd that Copperfield never made his own street magic video years before the other three did?
Originally posted by Paul_RichardNo good reason comes to mind.
I don't doubt your appraisal - from your eyewitness testimony - that David Copperfield can levitate in his shows. ...doesn't it strike you as odd that Copperfield never made his own street magic video years before the other three did?
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Maybe he is agoraphobic, or has OCD, or fears assassination by zealots who feel he is demonic, or maybe he just feels at this point it is beneath him, I don't know.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I feel he does not need to justify his choices to anyone, nor even say why he makes them, as they are his to make. Odd? No, if in fact he never made a recording of street magic, which seems doubtful to me. How do you know he never did so?
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
The arrival of small, quality video cameras came after his career began, and maybe that has influenced the current trend? But I do know he has done street magic, and therefore is able to do it. Nothing I have read has suggested to me that he is any more or less likely to use props than Blaine or Angel, and maybe they all do.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Holographs could possibly achieve the effect I witnessed, although the level of technology for that good of a holograph is something I have yet to see elsewhere.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
It is my view that all three do not use props in some of their grander feats, but I know I could easily be wrong.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Those who doubt the existance of abilities which are totally unimagined yet by the academic world cannot accept that they do what it appears that they do. But they also can't figure out any alternate method, which shows that they don't know for sure what is being done, as I don't know as well.
At least I can draw on my own personal experiences to make my decisions, something the many people who never saw these things up close can do.
Originally posted by nextguyinline
Tell me why his feet sway when he immediately leaves the ground?
I concede, it may not have been wires, but it was something. Maybe something like this: www.thisismagic.com...
Originally posted by nextguyinline
Tell me why his feet sway when he immediately leaves the ground?
I concede, it may not have been wires, but it was something. Maybe something like this: www.thisismagic.com...
Originally posted by pavil
Also, does anyone else here find it at least a little strange that CA Never does his "High levitation" in a small enclosed place like a normal room in a building? That last video, if he could do that in a regular room and almost hit the ceiling with his head, I would be impressed. It makes his feat suspect that he can only do it at certain venues/locations, you have to admit that.
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
PROVE the paid-off eyewitnesses please.
.... I've already pointed this out, but in the Luxor Atrium float-down, you can very clearly see the ceiling right above his head.
As already commented on by the very able MrdDstrbr , the upper torso area and upper body contain the most weight, and the legs always swing a bit when a person is picked up; watch anyone being lifted and see