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Originally posted by slackerwire
Have those who believe in Angels "powers" bothered to search his name on youtube? He shows exactly how he levitates.
Originally posted by elevatedone
Originally posted by slackerwire
Have those who believe in Angels "powers" bothered to search his name on youtube? He shows exactly how he levitates.
Maybe you could post those vids for us? please.
Originally posted by elevatedone
thanks for the vid.
However I think the main discussion here is about the High levitation trick by CA.
The luxor mainly.
Cool video though.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
The feat of floating a lit-up light bulb can only be faked on a specially designed magician's stage and with a number of assistants.
Originally posted by pavil
That is an incorrect statement. The full blown above the crowd floating light bulb needs that, the one CA performed does not.
Originally posted by pavil
CA even pay homage to Blackstone, albeit not directly, at the start of the clip by refering to reading about it.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
So the only contention you can now pose is that the lamp store was a pre-rigged magician's stage and that the people shown there are paid assistants.
Your entire argument falls apart.
Originally posted by pavil
Again I will let others decide who is right and who is wrong. If CA were doing the fullblown, have the light bulb float 10 feet above the audience's head Blackstone routine, then yes, he would need multiple assistants and a very controlled enviorment. CA did the smaller version of this trick which would not need an elaborate setup and could be done in such a place as the light store. At no time is the light bulb more than 10 -15 feet from CA, just like the description of the trick I have shown.
Originally posted by pavil
As for you comments on Darren Brown, he is great in my opinon, but still does not have a "special" gift. He himself is very skeptical of paranormal phenomena himself and states at the start of each episode that he uses.
Originally posted by pavil
You both seem to disbelieve even the subjects themselves, CA or DB when they say they don't have extraordinary powers, how will anyone else convice you then, your minds are made up, regardless of any evidence presented.
Originally posted by pavil
In the armored car illusion CA in his first sentence mentions that it is an illusion yet you don't believe him? Wow.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Man oh man..I have just spent the better part of an hour watching the Derren Brown video's..what a master!! this guy has some unreal abilities. Different than the others for sure, not the same in any way, but still amazing. This is almost a bit scary when you consider how easily he manages to fool people and dominate them and direct them..and not just patsies either.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
I was for many years in sales and I learned a number of techniques for closing sales and for assuring customers that they had made a good choice, etc., but this goes way beyond normal body language and trigger words;' this guy gets people to hand over their wallets and jewelry, accept blank paper for money, take expired and useless tickets at the dog track and get money..unreal.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
I am a bold person and I have used inference and assumption in the remote past to influence certain scenarios, but this guy is the boss of bosses, the Capo de Tuti Cappi of manipulation and hypnosis and subtlety.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
The video where he takes that poor man and places him in a catatonic state and then transports the guy to Marrakesch from London while he is under..still in a photo booth, and when he comes around and starts trying to comprehend his surroundings..it is really sad and scary at once; to see how easily a person could be totally befuddled, perhaps thinking that they had lost their mind... and all with only the use of words, suggestions, and in a few cases, lights and sound to totally disorient a person and influence their behavior radically.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
In addition, Darren has some amazing abilities with his kinetic energy and intuition and memory. What a freakin memory!! this guy has more than the minimum brain cells working at full speed, guaranteed. I was really impressed with his psychological knowledge and the advanced understanding of human tendencies; a person like that could literally go through life taking whatever they want, if they were unscrupled, that is.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Darren uses distraction, certain phrasing, and sheer balls to accomplish some amazing stuff; the Jewelry store was a great example; he goes in and selects a $ 4500.00 ring, tells the guy to wrap it up, chatting all the while and gesturing, then hands the guy a stack of plain blank paper, white, and the jeweler takes it and gives him the receipt!!
Originally posted by eyewitness86
The Dog Track example blew my mind: cashiers at gambling establishments are not careless and easily fooled people, they are trained to spot virtually any scheme and to scrutinize every ticket; yet Darren just says a few words and hands over losing tickets and collects the cash! I watched it closely, and all it took was this : The guy with the losing ticket just says : "This is the winning ticket , and This is the dog you are looking for ". In every instance, even after the machine that reads the tickets rejected it, the cashiers would see the winning number in their brain and pay the amount due for a win. It was priceless !!
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Different cashiers, same story. All it took was a direction, an implication that they would see the winning number and they did!! Amazing. The scariest part was in seeing the inability of some people to resist Darrens approaches and they literally could be used in ways that they have no control over. People are so easily led!!
Originally posted by eyewitness86
I have always been very independent and would never hand over my wallet and phone and stuff to some guy on the street just because he asks for it; but then again who is to say? The guy on the video did it, and seemed like a regular sort. You could see him react automatically and see the blank look come over him while Darren was manipulating his mind with different inputs; for example, Darren will wave his hands in certain ways, and use certain words, and gesture and point..and draw the attention from one thing to several things before the victim knows that he has just been hoodwinked.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
One of the funniest examples, and most telling as to how weak we are and how easily led we are, is the many people that Darren approaches on a train or bus or whatever..All he has to do is ask them what stop they are getting off at, the ' victim ' tells him; then, Darren starts talking fast about hopw they are doing a documentary on how easy it is to forget something that was just on your mind, on the tip of the tongue, how it just slips away, and then he asks the people where they are getting off, and they have all forgotten!! They are stumped, cannot recall their stops; in one case the poor victim missed getting off because Darren made him forget and the train took him past his stop and pissed him off!!
Originally posted by eyewitness86
I will watch more of this guys stuff and see what is the deal with him; but for now I am super impressed and a bit alarmed at the same time: If Darren can manipulate and influence people to such incredible degress, then it says a hell of a lot about us as a species and about how vulnerable we are to subtle influences and mainipulations; in the wrong hands, the abilities that Darren shows could be used for nefarious purposes, and quite easily.
Thanks for the link and along with Cyril and David and Criss I think that Darren is a major player in some very amazing mind games and real innate abilities as well. A most unique fellow!!
Originally posted by kinglizard
I have a question for the two Chris Angel believers in this thread.
How do you determine what tricks are done through "superpowers" and what is done via traditional/modern illusions?
Originally posted by kinglizard
Seems you two have superpowers of your own...you are able to determine what is an illusion and what is super human....just by viewing a video.
Originally posted by kinglizard
So how exactly do you know?
Originally posted by kinglizard
Do you determine this by what seems really impressive or by what seems impossible? Maybe you simply determine it by not knowing how it could be preformed via illusion.
Originally posted by kinglizard
You have said time and time again that your belief in Chris is not based on faith so I would like to know, how YOU KNOW, what is real and what is not. Because faith is not involved here you should be able to provide clear evidence or proof.
Originally posted by slackerwire
Have those who believe in Angels "powers" bothered to search his name on youtube? He shows exactly how he levitates.
Originally posted by jheated5
Derren Brown wins over CA hands down!!!
Than dancing hankerchief or floating light bulb over the audience requires help when it travels over the audience from assistants to the best of my knowledge. The smaller CA version he did does not do that , therefore he doesn't need the extra help.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Why is that?
No it's not. Blackstone was a good magician and I am sure an influence on CA.
Originally posted by pavil
That is irrelevant.
I am not a magician but it invovles lateral wires rather than horizontal wires for the distance moves and that is why you can "hoop" it . There are vertical wires/threads for the up close vertical effect. I know, I know .....Invisible wires that no one sees. There are there nonetheless.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
You are being very vague in your explanation and don't provide us with the "how" it is done.
I am skeptical but would like to have it proven to me with a batch of testing in a controlled situation. Derek Brown does not have TK powers, why do you claim that? He is very good at what he does and blends many disciplines together into a cool presentation. If any human has real "Chi-TK" powers I am pretty sure they don't have a weekly TV series or have specials on TV. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by pavil
You don't think anyone can have a Gift of Chi-Telekinesis, so this doesn't surprise me.
Again why believe the actual performers? Of course the won't tell you the real truth about their TK, but they tell the whole complete truth about EVERYTHING ELSE. What kind of logic is that? Again you seem to be implying that CA needed a "special stage" for the Floating light bulb. That is not so for the smaller version he did. Only Blackstones full above the audiance one needs a setup theater for it. Stop blurring them together.
Like Criss Angel, he denies having any Gift so he can then do things that veteran magicians cannot do - outside of a specially designed stage and props - and become wealthy in the process.
Because they are not people of principle; they are simply out to make a buck.......
I'd be willing to bet that, if cornered, he will say that ALL of his feats are illusions.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Why is that?
Originally posted by pavil
Than dancing hankerchief or floating light bulb over the audience requires help when it travels over the audience from assistants to the best of my knowledge. The smaller CA version he did does not do that , therefore he doesn't need the extra help.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
That is irrelevant.
Originally posted by pavil
No it's not. Blackstone was a good magician and I am sure an influence on CA.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
You are being very vague in your explanation and don't provide us with the "how" it is done.
Originally posted by pavil
I am not a magician but it invovles lateral wires rather than horizontal wires for the distance moves and that is why you can "hoop" it . There are vertical wires/threads for the up close vertical effect. I know, I know .....Invisible wires that no one sees. There are there nonetheless.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
You don't think anyone can have a Gift of Chi-Telekinesis, so this doesn't surprise me.
Originally posted by pavil
I am skeptical but would like to have it proven to me with a batch of testing in a controlled situation. Derek Brown does not have TK powers, why do you claim that?
Originally posted by pavil
He is very good at what he does and blends many disciplines together into a cool presentation. If any human has real "Chi-TK" powers I am pretty sure they don't have a weekly TV series or have specials on TV. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Like Criss Angel, he denies having any Gift so he can then do things that veteran magicians cannot do - outside of a specially designed stage and props - and become wealthy in the process.
Originally posted by pavil
Again why believe the actual performers? Of course the won't tell you the real truth about their TK, but they tell the whole complete truth about EVERYTHING ELSE. What kind of logic is that?
Originally posted by pavil
Again you seem to be implying that CA needed a "special stage" for the Floating light bulb.
Originally posted by pavil
That is not so for the smaller version he did.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Because they are not people of principle; they are simply out to make a buck
I'd be willing to bet that, if cornered, he will say that ALL of his feats are illusions.
Originally posted by pavil
What? not follwing you now. So CA and all like him will say whatever is necessary to make a buck and are not people of principle? I thought everything CA did on the show was real?
Originally posted by slackerwire
I live in Las Vegas and on occasion I've had the opportunity to see CA walking through the Planet Hollywood Casino (formerly the Aladdin), and his schtick is basically camera tricks and some knowledge on the part of certain audience members. There are quite a few other "CA exposed" vids on youtube, and if they are all true, they make his "powers" seem quite elementary. Angel has one thing going for him that most great illusionists have: showmanship.
Originally posted by slackerwire
I live in Las Vegas and on occasion I've had the opportunity to see CA walking through the Planet Hollywood Casino (formerly the Aladdin), and his schtick is basically camera tricks and some knowledge on the part of certain audience members. There are quite a few other "CA exposed" vids on youtube, and if they are all true, they make his "powers" seem quite elementary. Angel has one thing going for him that most great illusionists have: showmanship.
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
It seems we may have a an eyewitness in the thread refuting the idea of "no camera tricks used by CA" Hopefully slackerwire can chime in again and share whatever experiances he might have has with CA in Vegas.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
However, in not being part of Criss Angel's camera crew or an employee of the Planet Hollywood Casino (or the Luxor Hotel for that matter), at least some of his testimony - specifically the "camera tricks" - smacks more of speculation than of an actual eyewitness account.
We must remember that eyewitness86 has already provided us with testimony from an employee of the Luxor Hotel who said that there were no alterations made which enabled Criss Angel to perform his levitations inside the atrium and over the Luxor pyramid.
Also, if someone came forward and stated in here that they were paid off to lie on film about what they saw in one of Criss Angel's performances (and they identified which video they appear in and can verify their participation), that would constitute a major victory for the camp that contends CA has no Gift of Telekinesis-Chi. But I don't see that happening.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
However, in not being part of Criss Angel's camera crew or an employee of the Planet Hollywood Casino (or the Luxor Hotel for that matter), at least some of his testimony - specifically the "camera tricks" - smacks more of speculation than of an actual eyewitness account.
Originally posted by slackerwire
Very true and I agree, with the exception of the speculation. Having seen CA do some of his "magic" firsthand, I can state that I have seen cameras move to certain places which just don't seem to make for the best camera angles, so one would have to wonder why they are shooting from a less than ideal spot.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
We must remember that eyewitness86 has already provided us with testimony from an employee of the Luxor Hotel who said that there were no alterations made which enabled Criss Angel to perform his levitations inside the atrium and over the Luxor pyramid.
Originally posted by slackerwire
I'm new to ATS and haven't seen that testimony so please forgive my lack of knowledge on that post. Did the employee provide proof of employment at the Luxor?
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Also, if someone came forward and stated in here that they were paid off to lie on film about what they saw in one of Criss Angel's performances (and they identified which video they appear in and can verify their participation), that would constitute a major victory for the camp that contends CA has no Gift of Telekinesis-Chi. But I don't see that happening.
Originally posted by slackerwire
What if there is a confidentiality clause in their media release forms? Given the nature of the business, I suspect such a clause would be first and foremost.