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Originally posted by naossoan
As for the above poster. What proof do you have that these are NOT illusions and Criss angel truly has powers other than none of the members of the audience have come forward to say he's a fraud, because honestly, I don't think that's a valid comment.
Originally posted by naossoan
Definitely great skills. What do you think about this.
If these guys ACTUALLY had so called 'powers' or 'supernatural abilities' don't you think the American government would grab them and hide them in a moments notice? They would disappear and be burried just like they do for everything else.
The government is so paranoid about the 'general public' knowing 'secrets' like aliens and what not that I would think Criss angel and david blaine would disappear completely if they actually had 'powers.'
I think people that claim they do have powers such as Telekinesis, mind reading, stuff like that (which I do think is possible) do not come forward because I think if they did on a public level such as a TV show or some kind of sideshow act - the government would grab them and try to force them to become some kind of weapon or just hide them from public view until they perished.
Originally posted by yeahright
With all due respect Paul, no. I don't see anything there where Mr. Geller performed under rigorous scientific controlled situation. The people quoted here were observing as any audience member at a show would be.
Originally posted by yeahright
In addition, the source being Mr. Geller's website, lends itself to the distinct possibility that he is exaggerating the quote, taking it out of context, or even possibly making it up out of whole cloth.
Originally posted by yeahright
I still have yet to see anything from a legitimate peer reviewed scientific source (in other words something other than anecdotal testimony) that would cause me to believe Criss Angel or Uri Geller or any other popular entertainer is in possession of powers paranormal, supernatural, or anything other than good skilled technique at illusion.
"Scoffing at the paranormal seemed perfectly normal," writes British journalist, biographer (Cleese Encounters, etc.) and one-time skeptic Margolis. But his own conversion experience - a private demonstration of Geller's reputed spoon-bending and mind-reading powers - assuaged his doubts about Geller's psychic abilities and the paranormal in general.
...Margolis insists that occasional "cheating" (use of sleight-of-hand rather than of psychic power) to get through off-days does not undermine Geller's claims to authenticity. It may take a conversion experience on the order of Margolis's for die-hard skeptics to relent, but others will find Margolis's account one of the best yet to appear on Geller. Still, it is difficult to suspend disbelief when Margolis grows as grandiose (even if his tongue is a bit in his cheek) as the flamboyant Geller himself: "if it should turn out in the future that Uri was, indeed, a Jesus figure, I should be a little surprised, but delighted. It will have meant, for one thing, that I have accidentally written the New Testament." (Sept.)
This is an incredible magic trick that has baffled everyone. It is the first time the “sawing the lady in half” illusion has been performed in public using an audience member. However, those of you familiar with Criss Angel’s illusions know that he is renowned for bringing large scale magic (sawing a lady in half, making elephants disappear, levitating) onto the streets. Yet Mr. Mindfreak cannot be fully classified as a street magician; he is better classified as video illusionist. What does this mean? Simple- he uses video editing effects, stooges (secret helpers that appear to be regular audience members), and other “unmagical” techniques to meet his goal of entertaining those watching at home.
However, Criss Angel is still a wonderful street magician, and a majority of his magic tricks do not involve dirty techniques. Two excellent effects that he personally reveals the secrets to are the incredible and impromptu “Coin Trough Soda Can” effect and his extraordinary self-levitation.
Anyways, here's the secret to Criss Angel’s trick: the lady was an amputee. Having a hard time believing that? Go google, “Rose Siggins.” The lady on the bottom is a contortionist (bent over, hands on legs). The amputee sits on top of her and the two are held together by straps, clips, magnets or something. Note how the lady is conveniently wearing a black dress that would disguise where the two people join. Of course, some post editing would have concealed anything that might have been flashed.
At this point, most of you are probably disappointed. Who wouldn’t be, especially after learning that your favorite “street magician” edits his tricks and hires deformities to perform his illusions? The ultimate goal of a magician is to entertain, and Criss Angel knows this. I guarantee that before you found out the secret to this magic trick, you were absolutely entertained. I sure know I was. The whole point of magic is to ignite a small spark of curiosity within us, causing us to wonder if the supernatural can actually occur.
Criss Angel does a wonderful job of entertaining, regardless of the techniques he chooses. Like all magic performers, Criss Angel knows how to get reactions. I have come to realize that the downside to being a magician is that you probably won’t be as fascinated when you see a magic trick. But, the positive side is that you have the ability to astonish others.
Originally posted by Arawn
I posted a theory to that levitation above mate.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Showing video's of ILLUSIONS are not valid, we are talking about the flying .etc.
Your replies are vapid and unconvincing. You deny empirical evidence ( eyewitnesses, video,etc. ) in favor of illiogical suppositions and examples that are TOTALLY unrelated to the point. WHY are you showing video's of illusions when there are plenty of video's of the ' inexplicable ' events?
The mere fact that you cannot comprehend a human being performing incredible feats is NOT sufficient for a finding of trickery in his events that are ' inexplicable ' by ordinary means.
You guys CANNOT explain the golf course levitation and will not try as you KNOW how silly it sounds to say "There are wires..and trick shots, and all the witnesses are paid off!!", that kind of juvenile excuse making is not up to the standard that mature and intelligent people demand in a discusiion.
Either show PROOF that Criss has props in his retinue when he performs NON-ILLUSION events, as I discussed above, or admit that maybe he does not NEED props to do his thing.
That would lend you some credibility but as it stands now, you are whistling in the wind and no one can make out what tune you are using.
Cannot your minds even TRY to give us some logical and realistic answers? If not then you are obviously missing the whole point and further time is a waste with people who refuse to define the issue and frame it and stay to it. Stick to the point!! HOW does Criss Angel fly? Or walk on water? No nonsense like ' invisible stuff ' allowed. It is stupid and foolish for anyone to believe that props and cranes and wires can remain invisible to the eye, the camera and the witnesses who state without exception that they have witnessed profound and incredible feats when Criss does his thing.
OF COURSE not ALL events are ' other than illusion ', and that is plain and clear. But, the one's where he DOES use powers not well known it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to come up with a real and sensible explanation; at least we have not heard any yet here!! Try again, guys.
Stick to the issue, the NON illusions events, and explain THEM. No slipping and sliding away onto false issues and side issues, Just the facts. No unsupported accusations of ' invisible ' things, just fact.
Put up or shut up with the foolish ' invisible wires' nonsense. They do NOT exists!! Criss CAN do what YOU SEE him do!!
If you cannot believe your own eyes and senses and intelligence and logic, then HOW in the hell can you expect US to believe you either? HA!! Gotcha !!
Your credibility resides in your WORDS and your WORDS have been nothing but repititions of old and sad excuses that do not convince, do not persuade;
all you do is obscure the issue with NON evidence and try to keep your tidy little vision of reality nice and safe and dumded down as far as possible so that challenges will not upset your entire worldview. Sad.
Originally posted by Arawn
He explains himself how he levitates. It's a trick.
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Posting videos of how HE HIMSELF explains his tricks is more evidence that you have come up with.
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I'm a firm believer in the paranormal...except Criss openly admits to how he performs what he does. FROM HIS OWN MOUTH!
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Showing video's of ILLUSIONS are not valid, we are talking about the flying .etc. And in the video of the pool walk, there ARE people swimming directly in front, underneath and all around looking for a possible cause. To believe that the entire pool area was cleared and then filled with Criss Angel loyalists ( and plexiglas columns!!) that will remain forever silent shows the very depth of your denial of common sense and mathematical odds.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Such nonsense!! The PROOF IS IN THE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS and the video's of him performing as well as the FACT that NOT ONE person has ever come forward and claimed that they were ' in on it ' or were ' paid off '. Not one!! Ever!!
Originally posted by eyewitness86
I CANNOT prove that invisible wires exist, and neither can you. the DISPROVAL of their existence is YOUR job, not mine. If you really believe that it is all a hoax and that there are really invisible wires, then prove how that could be so. You STILL have not given ONE intelligent response yet, not ONE.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Umm, in case it slipped by you, there is no stage on the Criss levitations at issue. There is only OPEN SKY and THAT is what confounds the naysayers; they cannot come up with an ' invisible helicopter ' to hang the ' invisible strings ' from that you ' heard about ' somewhere or other, right? THIS is the essence of your rebuttal?
...There is NO DOUBT that there exists such things as wires that are very thin and yet very strong; but there has never been shown anything that the strings or wires can hang from!! THAT is where the rubber meets the road in this issue.You either must be asserting that some unknown and unseen force or apparatus is in the sky above the crowds and buildings, OR you are asserting that all of the apparent evidence, eye witnesses, video, etc, are staged or manipulated or edited and vast crowds of people are being bought off and stay silent. There is NO OTHER choice according to your view.
...Tell us all about what exactly the invisible wires hang from? OK? Thank You. I am interested in hearing the answers that make sense and are believable given the current evidence. Have at it! We are waiting, and waiting, and.....