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posted on Jun, 21 2007 @ 01:12 PM
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When I was a little girl, my girlfriends and I had a pajama party rotation going on throughout elementary and junior high school -- and one of things we used to do all the time was that levitation trick where everybody puts 2 fingers under someone who would be laying prone on the floor where we would then say over and over... "so and so is light as a feather" and the only reason why we always looked forward to experimenting with this was because, on several occasions, we did in fact managed to levitate someone off the floor 2 inches or so for a few seconds where that person would in fact be as light as a feather when doing that!!
Lol, But I'm not saying anything new here, this simple levitation trick is well known and a fun thing to do especially at pajama parties! A lot of people have participated in stuff like this where they've also gotten some surprising if not scary results!
But because of our own success at trying this levitation trick over and over throughout the years while growing up, I'm convinced that there are some people out there who can levitate on their own.
So I do think Criss Angel can levitate? -- yes but not all of the time and only a little... it's not something that he can just order up like a hamburger. I think he waits until he knows when he can pull it off and that there's some kind of 'signal' that he gets from "someplace' else where he knows he's in 'that place' where he can try levitating a few times before that 'feeling' tapers off again.
But as far as those way off the wall levitation tricks shown in his videos. those are CGI's -- but who cares? I think they are very entertaining!




posted on Jun, 21 2007 @ 01:24 PM
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Chris A. does not levitate... on his own at least.

It's all angles, wires and camera tricks, the people watching it are in on it.

same with David Blain.



posted on Jun, 21 2007 @ 01:40 PM
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I don't know anything about Criss Angel but I do know that Uri Geller has seen David Blaine levitate a few times in Gellers home. Because Geller's PK abliities are very well documented where he's even allowed himself to be evaluated at Stanford University, for him to say that Blaine also has some extraordinary abilities to me lends credence to Blaine's abitlities too. Someone like Geller is not going to put his reputation on the line by saying that Blaine's the real thing unless he in fact is the real thing! And besides that, it takes one to know one!

The fact is, some of these people do possess some natural PK abilities. The ones we are talking about here just happened to end up going into the professional magicians business because of that. But there are many, many others out there who can do what these guys can do also but they do it privately because they are not natural performers like Uri, Blaine and Criss.


[edit on 21-6-2007 by Palasheea]



posted on Jun, 21 2007 @ 01:42 PM
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He really can float around with no wires...like magic.

Just kiddin. I think Harry H. was the most dedicated, if it could be done he would have did it. His secret message was never sent from the other side so that to me is a magical letdown. Its all illusion.



posted on Jun, 21 2007 @ 03:45 PM
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I believe they are all STAGED with HIRED ACTORS because thats the ONLY way that they could be performed so flawlessly... hes not david blaine afterall



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 07:07 AM
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ITs all fake. Remember the Penn and teller show that was on TV in the later 80's and 90's when they were showing how some of the majic trick were preformed. Mirrors, Crowd control, Moles (meaning: people staged in the crowds to make other people follow along with them, like the clapper in a george bush interview.) I got a friend thats a majician and he has showed me some of his best tricks. He preforms in cherokee northcarolina at the casino. its all slight of hand. How they are capeable of making it look real is that a crowds IQ is so low, even if Einstein was present, they all want to follow along with the trick that even if they see how its done they follow along to FIT IN! Most of Chris's tricks are done with Full audience participation. Exp. when hes on the street doin that majic. OOH and the one where he floats off of the ground, HE has already showed us how he does that trick. ITs a pair of pants with one of the legs cut up the leg, and a special shoe. he showed us on tv. I will try to fin the video!


sorry for some of the spelling.



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 11:08 AM
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How aggravating!! All of you who say that this is all tricks and wires, please just for ONCE, explain how it could be done, outdoors, with nothing above them. And to think that somehow Criss and the others manage to pay off spectators, dozens of them, and yet not ONE of them has ever spilled the beans? Come on, that is way more far out than opening up your minds and believing what you see.

Just think: Criss has to find a way to perform the event without props visible to the cameras, close off public parks and other places so only the ' paid ' actors acting as observers could be on site...and then relying on these total strangers to stay silent forever. If even ONE thing went wrong ONE time he would be ruined and forever out of the business of magick/illusion. Yeah, RIIIIIGHT..

If you cannot come up with a better way to ' solve ' the question than at least do not fool yourselves by resorting to nonsense that cannot be proven.

The PROOF is right in front of you...you CANNOT disprove the reality of it by standard explanation due to the circumstances of the event , yet so many just bury their heads in the sand and say " It can't be so...it just can't be..." without any rational or intelligent alternative given. SPECIFICALLY, someone tell me how Criss and Cyril manage to fool all of the people present, the cameras,etc..and NO proof of anything like wires or magnets or anything else..tell me HOW. NOT just ' it must be a trick '..give me an intelligent explanation of how he could fake the levitations and wall walkings...HOW?

It CANNOT be done. There IS NO explanation other than the obvious, which is way too challenging for so many closed minds. Either tell me how he can levitate 20 feet off the ground and ' fly ' over a park and trees and land, totally on camera, the sky empty, and no way to fake it. Accept the truth people. Those of you who refuse to believe your eyes will be the exact ones most fooled by the coming deceptions...you will deny your own faculties until you are left not believing anything at all..You will not trust your own eyes and your own instincts and thats when they have you.

Until I hear an intelligent explanation for Criss and Cyril and David's actions I will believe what I see: Levitation, material teleportation and duplication and gravity neutralizing abilites are natural and normal for humans who know the truth and try hard and stay committed. Those of you who refuse to believe must be honest enough to either admit that it is real or provide a detailed and sensible reason OTHER than paranormal for what you see. Tell me where the wires are..hanging from the space station? Or maybe Criss has one of Billy Meiers Semjase UFO's cloaked and hanging wires for him, huh? See how silly the naysayers are? No reasonable explanation means that the events are real, simple.

From now on I will not give credence to any reply that does not have more to it than ' it must be strings ' or other such foolishness. REAL answers please or admit you are stumped...at least that would be more honest than saying you know it is fake but just cannot figure out how...there are only a few possible ways it could be faked and they are not in evidence, so lets hear some sensible ways it could be faked,OK? Otherwise admit that it is real, or could be. Closed minds are very hard to open without the willingness of the owner!!



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
How aggravating!! All of you who say that this is all tricks and wires, please just for ONCE, explain how it could be done, outdoors, with nothing above them. And to think that somehow Criss and the others manage to pay off spectators, dozens of them, and yet not ONE of them has ever spilled the beans? Come on, that is way more far out than opening up your minds and believing what you see.


Occam's Razor. What you detail is still much easier to explain and is much more probable than a man being bestowed with psychic abilities who is unable to perform under laboratory conditions. Why hasn't he tried to verify his claims with science? Wouldn't he be hailed as the next evolutionary step?

But no. He has a half-hour show on A&E and commercials for tampons and hot tea run between his parlor tricks. Get real.

Oh, and Uri Geller corroborates? Awesome, another faker in collusion with a stage magician is now the gold standard for veracity.


Originally found on Wikipedia
In late 2006 and early 2007 Geller starred in an Israeli television show to find a "successor." During one segment, Geller tried to move a compass with paranormal abilities. However, video cameras caught Geller with magnet-on-thumb (magnets cause compasses to move in the direction of the magnet).[29][30] Geller then forced YouTube to remove the clips that showed the fake thumb.[29] In April 2007 the James Randi Educational Foundation made the clip available.[31]

This trick was also done by Geller in 2000 on ABC TV's The View, which was then duplicated by Randi on the same show the following week.[32] On February 9, 2007 Randi posted video of him "outdoing" Geller on the 2000 The View show, and posted the "secrets" behind making a compass move.[33]


en.wikipedia.org...


Anything we can't explain we call magic, or God; its really just a lack of knowledge. God and magic are gaps in science that we cling to as evidence of something greater.



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
How aggravating!! All of you who say that this is all tricks and wires, please just for ONCE, explain how it could be done, outdoors, with nothing above them. And to think that somehow Criss and the others manage to pay off spectators, dozens of them, and yet not ONE of them has ever spilled the beans? Come on, that is way more far out than opening up your minds and believing what you see.

Just think: Criss has to find a way to perform the event without props visible to the cameras, close off public parks and other places so only the ' paid ' actors acting as observers could be on site...and then relying on these total strangers to stay silent forever. If even ONE thing went wrong ONE time he would be ruined and forever out of the business of magick/illusion. Yeah, RIIIIIGHT..

If you cannot come up with a better way to ' solve ' the question than at least do not fool yourselves by resorting to nonsense that cannot be proven.

The PROOF is right in front of you...you CANNOT disprove the reality of it by standard explanation due to the circumstances of the event , yet so many just bury their heads in the sand and say " It can't be so...it just can't be..." without any rational or intelligent alternative given. SPECIFICALLY, someone tell me how Criss and Cyril manage to fool all of the people present, the cameras,etc..and NO proof of anything like wires or magnets or anything else..tell me HOW. NOT just ' it must be a trick '..give me an intelligent explanation of how he could fake the levitations and wall walkings...HOW?

It CANNOT be done. There IS NO explanation other than the obvious, which is way too challenging for so many closed minds. Either tell me how he can levitate 20 feet off the ground and ' fly ' over a park and trees and land, totally on camera, the sky empty, and no way to fake it. Accept the truth people. Those of you who refuse to believe your eyes will be the exact ones most fooled by the coming deceptions...you will deny your own faculties until you are left not believing anything at all..You will not trust your own eyes and your own instincts and thats when they have you.

Until I hear an intelligent explanation for Criss and Cyril and David's actions I will believe what I see: Levitation, material teleportation and duplication and gravity neutralizing abilites are natural and normal for humans who know the truth and try hard and stay committed. Those of you who refuse to believe must be honest enough to either admit that it is real or provide a detailed and sensible reason OTHER than paranormal for what you see. Tell me where the wires are..hanging from the space station? Or maybe Criss has one of Billy Meiers Semjase UFO's cloaked and hanging wires for him, huh? See how silly the naysayers are? No reasonable explanation means that the events are real, simple.

From now on I will not give credence to any reply that does not have more to it than ' it must be strings ' or other such foolishness. REAL answers please or admit you are stumped...at least that would be more honest than saying you know it is fake but just cannot figure out how...there are only a few possible ways it could be faked and they are not in evidence, so lets hear some sensible ways it could be faked,OK? Otherwise admit that it is real, or could be. Closed minds are very hard to open without the willingness of the owner!!


Have you seen television lately? All you have to do is position the camera at the correct angle, hire some fake "pedestrians" to take part in witnessing the "spectacle". Then edit the video on computers and you can do ANYTHING! I can make myself fly around the world on a green screen but it doesnt mean I can fly!



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 11:27 AM
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Additionally, the fact that you are basing your opinion on the reactions of other people who could be more easily tricked than you are is just silly. If you have not physically seen Criss Angel perform then you really have no business believing it is anything other than camera tricks. Why not? Precedent. History. Common Sense?

I would be much, much, MUCH more willing to believe that programmers will go to almost any lengths to trick people into tuning into their show on a consistant basis to garner advertising revenue.

Its like the Blair Witch Project being presented like a documentary, you know? It makes more money if you pretend it's real. I feel like I'm really having to break it down here for you, but maybe that's what is necessary...



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
From now on I will not give credence to any reply that does not have more to it than ' it must be strings ' or other such foolishness. REAL answers please or admit you are stumped...at least that would be more honest than saying you know it is fake but just cannot figure out how...there are only a few possible ways it could be faked and they are not in evidence, so lets hear some sensible ways it could be faked,OK? Otherwise admit that it is real, or could be. Closed minds are very hard to open without the willingness of the owner!!


Dude. You're so 20th century. Its either strings or magic for you, and that is exactly why the illusion works and tricks people like yourself. Think "outside the box" -
1) maybe he wasn't even there and was digitally inserted,
2) perhaps there was a 50 foot crane off camera (don't act like its any more unlikely than his pixie-dust flying attributes you credit him with),
3) maybe all the spectators were paid off.
4) maybe he was being suspended by a helicopter
5) maybe an invisible elephant wearing a jetpack was hoisting him on invisible string

You're logic justifies believing in 5, simply because we can imagine it, and because we dont know how he really did it, it becomes just as satisfactory as 1-4 for someone like yourself. That doesn't fly for me.

Here is a challenge, attempt to find a blog from someone who IS NOT into Criss Angel and claims to have seen one of his street magic tricks. Certainly if he performs these at random and in public, and in our age of technology SOMEONE with a blog out there chanced upon seeing him and would profess their belief on their blog. At least that would be a more objective source than Criss Angel's television show...



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 11:57 AM
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Here are some videos that give good explanations on how he pulls off illustions using camera tricks, editing, and paid stooges:

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posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainJailew
Here is a challenge, attempt to find a blog from someone who IS NOT into Criss Angel and claims to have seen one of his street magic tricks. Certainly if he performs these at random and in public, and in our age of technology SOMEONE with a blog out there chanced upon seeing him and would profess their belief on their blog. At least that would be a more objective source than Criss Angel's television show...

People become "into Criss Angel" BECAUSE of his magick, i.e., his Gift of Telekinesis.

The following comments were made by 1 Tru Criss Angel Fan earlier in this thread:


Originally posted by 1 Tru Criss Angel Fan
... I Know Criss Angel Personally. I Live Really Close To Him. I Visited His Secret Cabaret One Day, And He Said, "Now Alex, I Want You To Close Your Eyes." He Gave Me A Second Or Two And He Said "Is That Completed?" And I Said, "Check!" He Said, "Now Stick Your Hands Out, Cross Your Feet, And Your Fingers." I Said "Check!" And He Said, "Now, Breathe. Gently." And Right Then, I Lifted Into The Air, He Yelled "Open Your Eyes, You Motherfugger!" I Opened My Eyes, And I Was Levitated 15 Feet Off The Ground.

Here we have a situation whereby someone not only has witnessed Criss Angel in action performing telekinesis but has actually been levitated fifteen feet in the air by Criss Angel himself, and has made the above statement in testament to those events.


In this instance, the principle of Occam's Razor whereby the simplest answer is likely the accuate one, is that Criss Angel has a Gift of Telekinesis.



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Palasheea
So I do think Criss Angel can levitate? -- yes but not all of the time ...it's not something that he can just order up like a hamburger. I think he waits until he knows when he can pull it off and that there's some kind of 'signal' that he gets from "someplace' else where he knows he's in 'that place' where he can try levitating a few times before that 'feeling' tapers off again.

We are in agreement on this one.


The power does not stem from within Uri Geller, David Blaine, Matthew Manning, Sai Baba, or Criss Angel. It comes from thousands of spirits who combine their energy into Group Entities and provide them with a Gift of Telekinesis.

Along these lines, someone made a comment about Uri Geller being caught with a magnet or device to duplicate his telekinetic feats. I knew about that. The reason behind it is because Uri, as with everyone who has a Gift of Telekinesis, cannot turn it on and off at will or "just order it up like a hamburger." They have to wait until they get the telepathic go-ahead from their respective Group Entity who is supplying the magick or chi through them and around them. Uri was expected to perform telekinesis in every performance and he wanted something to back him up when the power wasn't there.

By the way, the larger and more stable the Group Entity, the more consistent the flow of chi and the corresponding flow of Gifts.

It is like when The Amazing Kreskin took some thick college rings from an audience and put them on a ring sizer, and said, "Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't." Then all the rings became linked together and they were shown to the audience for confirmation before being placed back on the ring sizer, and then put back to their original form.

I was in attendance at that performance.


The power is not always there for people like Uri Geller simply because the power does not stem from within them


That is a fundamental principle of telekinesis.



[edit on 22-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
Agreed..I too would like to see Cyril do levitations..However, we must also realize that certain adepts tend to have varying skills and skill levels, as well as interests in which feats they perform. When Cyril sticks his arm through an aquarium full of fish using only a paper towel to hold back the water, on camera with witnesses, there is NO WAY for it to be a set-up or fake.

That aquarium feat is intriguing.


Originally posted by eyewitness86
Manipulation of natural elements and forces is the whole answer..HOW that is done is the question, and the answer is clear if one takes the blinders off and open up the mind. Randi and other naysayers are making money off of the REAL magicians by simply denying reality, while offfering NO alternative explanations that make any sense. Cyril can turn pictures into real items , Criss can capture duplicates from a mirror, etc. and these are inexplicable except by other than ' natural ' means.

I like the one when Criss Angel has someone draw a picture of something on a piece of paper and then folds it up. When it is opened again, the illustration is gone on the page. Instead, there is a live creature - like the butterfly drawn - that just flies away.


Originally posted by eyewitness86
These guys use illusions AND real magick at the same time and THAT is the key to their performances..a MIX of the ' real ' and the sublime trick..and that makes for a real experience. When they defy gravity, no skeptic can refute what is occuring, all they can do is insult and deny and bluff. I bet Randi is so jealous of these real adepts that he is furious and as always sticks to his age old denial, even tho' he cannot explain what we are seeing. Sad..I think he should retire to the old age home for ' stage magicians ' where he can relax around others who have no real need to know the truth and are content to wallow in their supposed superiority.

Criss Angel can levitate and alter perception and reality, that is undeniable. There are NO helicopters or cranes holding him up..and so those who refuse to believe their own eyes might be better off not looking at the proof as it will only serve to make them even more determined than ever to deny the facts and evidence. Criss Angel walked on water!! Does anyone dare say that there was a platform under the water? No way, swimmers were all over the pool, literally Criss had to get them to move so he could finish the walk...and had there been ANYTHING that could have supported him it would have been exposed right then and there by those in the pool, inches away from him..as well as the cameras used. But most people say " What a neat trick !!"..Just like with Jesus, there are always doubters and scoffers but those with their eyes open know what is real.

Good points
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
Funny how these days we hear so little from the ' debunkers ' as the ' stunts' get stranger and more difficult to hoax.They are strangely quiet about Criss and Cyril and Blaine, are they not? The excuses they would have to come up with to explain their actions would be so ridiculous that they would forever be laughed out of the business of denying the obvious. In years to come, we will see people FLY, not just levitate..and do many more things that will forever put to rest the notion that we are all physical and that every event can be explained or duplicated. Randi and his ilk can NEVER duplicate the events that Criss and Cyril undertake, nor can they give an intelligent explanation for what they see.

Many would love to see The Amazing Randi duplicate Criss Angel's levitation feats in public parks, golf courses, and city sidewalks. He can't. Neither can Penn and Teller.


The real clincher is being able to DUPLICATE Criss Angel's flying "illusion" WITHOUT a Gift of Telekinesis. And to have many eyewitnesses testify that it was indeed a "trick."

What many people IGNORE is that Criss Angel, who probably has one of the most powerful Gifts of Telekinesis on the planet, has said publicly that a lot of what he does is REAL. No gimmicks, no wires, no mirrors, no electronic devices, and no digitization, optical, or camera manipulation. He admits that much of what he does is NOT a deception





posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 12:54 PM
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I would definately agree with Paul here, he has a 'electromagnetic charge' which helps him stun crowds.He is tapping more and more into the other side, with each level of high risk fatality, he becomes fearless and embraces spirits potential.



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
They have to wait until they get the telepathic go-ahead from their respective Group Entity who is supplying the magick or chi through them and around them. Uri was expected to perform telekinesis in every performance and he wanted something to back him up when the power wasn't there.

By the way, the larger and more stable the Group Entity, the more consistent the flow of chi and the corresponding flow of Gifts.
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ROFL, I'm sorry, but this is just conjecture and attribution of the unknown to some otherwordly conscious. Call it what you want, I personally believe Criss communes with an 18 penised bottle of maple syrup from Klandathu named Ipthick. Only when Ipthick gives the Group Entity the necessary psy-requisition forms (in triplicate!) will the human manifestations of Ipthick be able to perform their magic.

Occam's Razor asks that we make no more assumptions than are necessary. Believing in a) magic b) manipulatable magic and c) specific agents able to perform that magic are all unneccesary assumptions in the face of d) its freakin' fake.



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
Agreed..I too would like to see Cyril do levitations..However, we must also realize that certain adepts tend to have varying skills and skill levels, as well as interests in which feats they perform. When Cyril sticks his arm through an aquarium full of fish using only a paper towel to hold back the water, on camera with witnesses, there is NO WAY for it to be a set-up or fake.


Is it really that hard to green-screen and use camera tricks? How much do you know about post-production for TV shows which are created and designed for the sole purpose of making money. They were not created to educate the masses about the beneficient nature of "magick" (nice addition of the K, renaming stigmatized classes usually does the trick to instill additional respect or reverence) they are made to sell you things. In fact, the commercials which during Criss Angel's show were probably picked specifically for that time slot for people who are more likely to believe in magic(K). Quija boards, astrology charts, faerie dust and who knows what else would be programmed and placed in whatever position and time will create the greatest market interest. Look at the big picture. Stop watching TV. Read a book by someone with a certification other than "Yogi".



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
What many people IGNORE is that Criss Angel, who probably has one of the most powerful Gifts of Telekinesis on the planet, has said publicly that a lot of what he does is REAL. No gimmicks, no wires, no mirrors, no electronic devices, and no digitization, optical, or camera manipulation. He admits that much of what he does is NOT a deception



I believe that is part of what magicians call "the rap" - you know, the story or lie they tell to increase their credibility in the minds of the audience. Yup, sounds pretty right on. Combine camera tricks, mediocre PR and people who want to be tricked because it affirms other lifestyle decisions they have made, and BOOM - you got Criss Angel. Stop allowing yourself to be exploited, please.



posted on Jun, 22 2007 @ 01:17 PM
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Here's an interview of Criss Angel by Penn Jillette:

www.pennfans.net...

Angel specifically says "I do not believe that anybody has the ability to anything that's supernatural. I beleive nothing of what I hear and half of what I see and until I see some proof in front of me, it's all BS. You know, people just take advantage of vulnerable people." He goes on toa gree with Penn that the "real" stuff he does is the stunt stuff and the supernatural stuff is fake. And Angel says "I don't have powers."

Well, well, well worth listening to.

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