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posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 09:43 AM
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Criss Angel Lives Alot!




posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 09:50 AM
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This post is directed at the new member 1 true Criss angel fan. Just curious but did you sign up just to post in this thread? I hope you are working on an introduction. BTW- please no one line posts.They are frowned upon here.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 10:52 AM
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I Just Don't Know How He Did The Ice Cube/Ring Trick.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by 1 Tru Criss Angel Fan
I Just Don't Know How He Did The Ice Cube/Ring Trick.



Can I Borrow This Ring?



That Was Classic!



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by junglelord
... levitation is impossible ...

I am sure that Criss Angel and David Blaine laugh out loud when they hear people say that levitation is impossible.


Actually I find it quite amusing as well.



Originally posted by etshrtslr

[Telekinesis] was certainly a well documented phenomenon in the catholic church and Hindu mystics.


Saint Joseph of Cupertino (or Giuseppe da Copertino , born Giuseppe Maria Desa) (June 17, 1603 – September 18, 1663) was an Italian saint. He was said to have been remarkably unclever, but prone to miraculous levitation and intense ecstasies that left him gaping.


en.wikipedia.org...

Flying Saints


Good argument and reference links to back it up.


Traditional scientists will never be able to explain telekinesis because it is caused by an energy of many names - like The Holy Spirit, Prana, Chi, Ki, etc., - that cannot be directly measured with physical instrumentation or stored through electrical means.

And, as etshrtslr pointed out, telekinesis is well documented in Christendom. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Telekinetic feats are documented within every major faith on the planet. For example, Sai Baba of the Hindu faith used to be called The Christ of India because he reportedly could duplicate all the miracles attributed to Jesus.

The Miracles Of Sa Baba

Unless one does the investigation and research with an open mind, one will always stay in the darkness of ignorance.


By the way, does anyone who does not believe that Criss Angel has a Gift of Telekinesis have an explanation as to how he managed to levitate 500 feet in the air - without a helicopter and wires - above the Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas?

Were the hundreds of spectators who confirmed what happened all paid off to further the deception of his levitation? I hardly think so.

Just because traditional science cannot explain something does not mean that it does not exist - only that traditional science cannot explain it.


By the same token, we should not limit ourselves to the ignorance of traditional science when it continues to fail to explain supernatural phenomenon...like telekinesis





posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 11:59 AM
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You know if I was the amazing Randi and you were criss I would still have my money
I am done with this foolish conversation
PS MODS
You think its good to talk about illusions as physics


Man move this to BTS



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by junglelord
You know if I was the amazing Randi and you were criss I would still have my money

Criss Angel makes much more money and is much more successful than "The Amazing Randi."

This, in itself, speaks volumes.





posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 06:20 PM
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So let criss be judged by Randi.
If he says he is real then I will believe it
but until then money means nothing and certainly is not factor in being able to do feats that defy physics
like I said mods
how in hell can magician be in the paranormal section

maybe the mods could do some favours to enlighten the audience

BTS



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard

For example, David Blaine became physically ill and doubled over in pain on the grass right after he did a levitation off of a Texas highway. This was in the beginning of his television version of his Street Magic video. He even pleaded with a bystander to call an ambulance. That scene was omitted from his DVD, for obvious reasons.

They don't have full control over the power because it does not come from within them


[edit on 4-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]


ROFL!

That scene where he got sick is called SHOWMANSHIP, it was the BALDUCCI levitation. Seriously, you are grasping at straws.

Unless you have good patter (magician term for being able to convince the audience verbally that what you do is real) then the show is not entertaining. A good magician has the ability to act, which is what blaine does. I can perform every trick from the Street Magic DVD, and before you say 'well levitate a few feet off the ground like at the end', i will explain that section to you.

It was the controversy that lost blaine a lot of popularity after that particular film was shown. He performed the Balducci levitation for people, filmed their response to it, and then replayed that back to a wired-up levitation he was doing to 'show them what a fake levitation looks like'. After the show aired, a lot of those who's reactions were filmed to one and played to the other came out and posted online what really happened.

www.freeinfosociety.com...
[edit on 6-6-2007 by fooffstarr] Go to page 3 of that link to see what i'm talking about, as well as explanations for all of his other tricks further down the document.

[edit on 6-6-2007 by fooffstarr]



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
For example, David Blaine became physically ill and doubled over in pain on the grass right after he did a levitation off of a Texas highway. This was in the beginning of his television version of his Street Magic video. He even pleaded with a bystander to call an ambulance. That scene was omitted from his DVD, for obvious reasons.

They don't have full control over the power because it does not come from within them



Originally posted by fooffstarr
ROFL!

That scene where he got sick is called SHOWMANSHIP, it was the BALDUCCI levitation.


Laugh it up if it makes you feel better.

Answer us this question:

Then why was that scene of him doubling over in pain from his television version of Street Magic omitted from the DVD version that went on sale?



Gee, I guess you are much too clever for me.



Originally posted by fooffstarr
Seriously, you are grasping at straws.


Seriously...you are truly CLUELESS.


Telekinetic energies can cause abdominal pain, dizziness, and make one sick to one's stomach in certain cases. Specifically, if the level of energy is not strong enough or focused correctly for a manifestation through or around the body and/or if the energy is abrasive in some way, it will cause an adverse bodily reaction


Hey GENIUS...ever perform Qigong (Chi-Gong) and/or Dim Mak exercises?

If the energy is overpowering and not focused correctly - for whatever reason - it can also cause the same symptoms that Blaine had after his minor levitation off of a Texas highway.

But you don't know that because you never got past your PREJUDICE in order to do a thorough investigation on the topic.


IGNORANCE is a terrible thing...don't you think?

No really...do you know what CRITICAL THINKING entails?


Originally posted by fooffstarr
It was the controversy that lost blaine a lot of popularity after that particular film was shown. He performed the Balducci levitation for people, filmed their response to it, and then replayed that back to a wired-up levitation he was doing to 'show them what a fake levitation looks like'. After the show aired, a lot of those who's reactions were filmed to one and played to the other came out and posted online what really happened.


Blaine's and Angel's levitations go beyond the Balducci illusion, with the latter having a more powerful Gift.

Rumor has it - and this point is from an old online article about David Blaine from a UK news service - that the reason why he got the financial backing behind his Street Magic video in the first place is because he "blew the socks off" of a big-time television producer in his high rise office.


You don't get your own TV show from just performing a Balducci illusion to an executive producer.


Apparently you didn't know that either.


Is there a cogent argument from you in our foreseeable future?




posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 09:42 PM
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criss angel discussion is the subject of this thread...

It would help this discussion is it could be limited to discussing Criss Angel. Not about being his fan. And certainly not personal remarks or attacks.

Anyone looking for other Criss fans, can get together here:
www.belowtopsecret.com...

Thank you.



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 03:30 AM
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Paul Richard, i'm going to give up.

You are like talking to a brick wall, you don't even attempt to listen to anyone else's opinions. You are so sure that your view is correct that you won't even take the time to discuss more acceptable options.

Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean 'magick' is the conclusion. If we knew how they did every trick there would be no fun in it would there?

You keep asserting that you know this as fact, and yet all you have is an idea, it isn't even a theory as it has no basis. There is an explanation for every trick they do, and just because you don't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I take my leave from this topic as i fear if i don't I'll resort to harsher words. As someone else said earlier, you are the perfect audience member. Belief without question. Good for you.



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by fooffstarr
Paul Richard, i'm going to give up.

You are like talking to a brick wall, you don't even attempt to listen to anyone else's opinions. You are so sure that your view is correct that you won't even take the time to discuss more acceptable options.

I'm sorry, but that does not constitute a cogent argument. Perhaps then you should give up.


Originally posted by fooffstarr
Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean 'magick' is the conclusion.

Please provide us with a video upload or video link which explains how Criss Angel can levitate many feet in the air when surrounded by many eyewitnesses who attest that there were no wires, strings, or aircraft that helped him pull it off.

You have no explanations. The only thing you have to offer is: "magick doesn't exist." That is not an explanation; that is just a belief system.

Magick exists as well as Gifts of Telekinesis. If you study the soft styles of martial arts and also various healing modalities, you will know this experientially. If you are bias in your thinking, you will never come to know that it exists and will never do the research to confirm it for yourself


Western science cannot explain an energy system that cannot be measured in a laboratory or duplicated in any way, except with another person who has a Gift. And there are many of those, e.g., Sai Baba, Uri Geller, Matthew Manning, and the one that this thread is about. Geller and Manning were tested decades ago under strict laboratory conditions and both were found to have a genuine Gift of Telekinesis. Go to Uri Geller's site for more info on that.


So it isn't like there isn't evidence out there or that those who understand Criss Angel to have a Gift of Telekinesis are simply believing it out of blind faith.


Many reference sites have been provided by various individuals in this thread that point to someone having a Gift of Telekinesis now, as well as explaining those who are documented in having had one historically. The only blind faith going on in here is among those who refuse to embrace the evidence presented.

We are still waiting for video uploads or video links that explain how Criss Angel levitates high in the air. Beyond two or three feet of levitation, the Balducci illusion simply doesn't wash.



Originally posted by fooffstarr
If we knew how they did every trick there would be no fun in it would there?

That is neither here nor there, and is therefore irrelevant.

The argument that many have used in this and related threads is that "all the so-called feats of telekinesis can be explained away as tricks and there are sites that show how they are done."

But in fact, there are not sites that explain all of the feats of David Blaine and especially Criss Angel. Oh sure, some of the lesser, rather insignificant sleight-of-hand and misdirection illusions are addressed, but the feats that really stand out are not touched. The argument used is that since the simple illusions are explained then obviously the more complex and impressive feats must be illusions as well. That is not a logical conclusion when addressing someone who has been filmed to levitate between two buildings, to do so in the largest hotel atrium in the world, and also to do so 500 feet in the air.

And going back to a point that I have made which you and others keep ignoring: Criss Angel himself has said publicly on a number of occasions, as in the Fox News interview, that a lot of what he does is REAL.


Originally posted by fooffstarr
You keep asserting that you know this as fact, and yet all you have is an idea, it isn't even a theory as it has no basis. There is an explanation for every trick they do, and just because you don't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Magick exists. It occurs every day all over the world through many people.

Ever hear of Reiki? Or John of God?

You may believe anything you wish. But there is a plethora of evidence that point to both David Blaine and Criss Angel (to a larger extent), in addition to being illusionists, also having a Gift of Telekinesis


DENY IGNORANCE.

Thank you.

[edit on 7-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 10:51 AM
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OK GENIUS as far as pulling the wool over a tv execs eyes I mean he pulled it over on you, why not a tv exec. David Blaine and Cris Angel are this generations Whodini and they are the best at what they do but trust me they arent magical. David blaine street magic is a good DVD and mindfreak really is a cool show but its just that, a show.Paid actors and gullible people make this show what it is plain and simple.
I know for a fact a friend of mines cousin is an actor in L.A. struggling but an actor albeit and he was offered a chance to fly to vegas and be in a mindfreak episode as a bystander for an undisclosed number of tricks. He told my friend that if you watch all the episodes you will see several of the same faces show up.
Maybe Cris or David will start a cult so all the believers can join and learn their magical ways of hiring actors and slight of hand.And by the way IGNORANCE is a terrible thing to keep bottled up so please lets hear some more.


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[edit on 7-6-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 07:28 PM
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DontTreadOnMe...are you taking note of his insulting tone when I did not address him before in any capacity?

And...am I allowed to defend myself?

Or are we to assume that you simply side with those who have no reference links to back up their claims when those in my camp have provided an abundance of supportive references?

Would any other moderator care to comment?

Thank you.


187specialist,

I don't recall you posting on this topic before.

Judging from your abrasive and insulting initial post, you must have been chewing at the bit for some time before deciding to chime in.

Harry Houdini did not portray a Gift of Telekinesis. You didn't see him levitate in front of many people on city sidewalks, in public parks and inside large hotel atriums. As with the vast majority of escape artists and illusionists (like Harry Blackstone and David Copperfield), Houdini simply didn't have that ability.

Note also that Copperfield and Blackstone, who have been very successful as illusionists and for a longer period than Blaine and Angel, never attempted the levitation feats of either in public. Certainly, if it is all just misdirection and paid spectators, then we would have seen them (or any number of other highly successful illusionists from the 1980s and 1990s), do the same. If so, then why not?

If you wish to be able to add weight to your argument, then you need to get your friend's cousin to post his perspective in this very thread. Your friend's cousin needs to state point blank in here, not just hearsay from you, that he participated in being a paid spectator for Criss Angel, that the latter had wires or some other apparatus (which he needs to explain in detail) attached to him during ALL his levitations, and that ALL the hundreds of other witnesses to his levitations were all paid actors who also purposely participated in a deception orchestrated against the general public. Criss Angel has said that a lot of what he does is real. Your friend's cousin needs to confirm to us his perspective on that, one way or the other.

There are many people in ATS that would love to read his take on this issue. Myself included.


One more thing. I highly doubt that successful television executives who earn big bucks are as naive as you portray them to be. Otherwise, they would not be so successful in the first place.



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posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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Paul Richard is right, how could that one building to building levitation he did possibly be faked?



posted on Jun, 8 2007 @ 02:50 AM
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For all you fools who think that Chris Angel's stuff is "real" here's a few ebooks on how he's tricks are done.

I hope in the future you wont be so dumb as to believe everything your eyes are telling you.

They are called "illusions" for a purpose


www.worldpokerclinic.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2007 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Paul Richard is right, how could that one building to building levitation he did possibly be faked?

Thank you MrdDstrbr for your clear thinking and support.


DodgeG1,

Please provide for us a link to a site or sites which explain in detail:

1. How Criss Angel levitated down from inside the largest atrium in the world;

2. How Criss Angel levitated between two buildings in broad daylight; and,

3. How Criss Angel levitated 500 feet and above the Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas.

Got an e-book link for any of the above?

Thank you.



[edit on 8-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 8 2007 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard

Please provide for us a link to a site or sites which explain in detail:

1. How Criss Angel levitated down from inside the largest atrium in the world;

2. How Criss Angel levitated between two buildings in broad daylight; and,

3. How Criss Angel levitated 500 feet and above the Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas.


AMAZING! AMAZING!!

I had seen the building-to-building one, but not the other two yet!

How could such a thing possibly be done with "mirrors and thin wire", in front of SO many spectators, not all of whom could POSSIBLY be paid accomplices?

I wonder how long the doubters can keep denying a truth that's right in front of their eyes?



posted on Jun, 8 2007 @ 02:24 PM
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The whole purpose of Illusions is to make it seem real.
Therefore the levitation is not proof the laws of physics are broken...its proof he is a master magician and its a excellent illusion....nothing less, nothing more

The fact you have not determined the way the illusion is created does not make it real.


Those who believe prove how effective the illusion is.
The fact it has stumped so many is again another example of the success of the illusion...not proof he can levitate

And yes many people are paid off.
weather you believe it or not.



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