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posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by hiii_98
Go to youtube sometime and the majority of his tricks are demonstrated with "how to" videos. The only real trick is knowing the true name of the illusion to research it.


please share some links with us


thanks...






posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by junglelord
oh my god you think he can levitate?
even david cooperfield admits its magic
your buying into the hype

funny he was at UFC the other night in the crowd, he got the winner wrong (bad guesser) and he did not levitate worth a damn
thats my proof.
whats amatter its only an illusion and paid people

the amazing Randi has a cool million for you and so far criss angle is not collecting

You could really benefit from a course in logical deduction, critical thinking, and analytical reasoning.
You have zero proof. Criss Angel was likely wearing a million dollars in bling bling at UFC, and makes millions a year, like Copperfield does. Why on earth would they risk that income by telling Randi, (who, by the way, can't explain their big 'illusions' either, just like you can't), the secret?
You think Criss not levitating that night, and being wrong about something proves something? It proves he was off work that night, and is likely human, prone to make mistakes like us all. What, is he supposed to be right every time? And you admit you can't explain all their tricks. If you think it really is a paid crowd, then you owe it to yourself to see it live. I guarantee, they won't pay you, you will have to pay them. It's worth it though. Let me know if they pay you, and also tell me if you learn how to explain the illusions that you can't do yet.



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by junglelord
oh my god you think he can levitate?
even david cooperfield admits its magic
your buying into the hype

funny he was at UFC the other night in the crowd, he got the winner wrong (bad guesser) and he did not levitate worth a damn
thats my proof.
whats amatter its only an illusion and paid people

the amazing Randi has a cool million for you and so far criss angle is not collecting


Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
You could really benefit from a course in logical deduction, critical thinking, and analytical reasoning.
You have zero proof. Criss Angel was likely wearing a million dollars in bling bling at UFC, and makes millions a year, like Copperfield does. Why on earth would they risk that income by telling Randi, (who, by the way, can't explain their big 'illusions' either, just like you can't), the secret?
You think Criss not levitating that night, and being wrong about something proves something? It proves he was off work that night, and is likely human, prone to make mistakes like us all. What, is he supposed to be right every time? And you admit you can't explain all their tricks. If you think it really is a paid crowd, then you owe it to yourself to see it live. I guarantee, they won't pay you, you will have to pay them. It's worth it though. Let me know if they pay you, and also tell me if you learn how to explain the illusions that you can't do yet.

Well put BlackGuardXIII.

Eyewitness testimonial and also critical analysis are indeed very important in determining the truth about anything.


I would also like to add that magicians like Harry Blackstone and David Copperfield, who have no Gift, are not a problem. One can go to a show and be entertained with their illusions.

Be Forewarned


However, one should proceed with caution when seeing people like David Blaine and Criss Angel. Especially the latter. They and the energies they channel are not above humiliating and/or traumatizing an audience member and putting him or her in a dangerous position
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For example.

This actually results in his Group Entity losing energy from retrogression away from The Light. Which may explain why Criss Angel didn't have the power or psychic insight at the performance at UFC.

Karmic power loss also occurred to the pedophile prophet Sai Baba. Only in his case, it was caused from many acts - over a period of years - as a sexual predator at his ashram in India, with also the strong possibility of him having his perceived enemies murdered there (which a number of people have reported). Sai Baba's Gifts have significantly lessened since the 1970s. One former devotee remarked on the look of anguish on Sai Baba's face when he tried to materialize something and found that the old power wasn't there like it used to be.


If Criss Angel keeps pulling abusive stunts on innocents like the one shown in the above video, then his GE will lessen to having a Dominant Aura Color of red (weakening greatly in energy) and not be able to stay combined in power. Thereby resulting in Criss Angel losing his Gift of Telekinesis.


You can fool many people in the flesh but no one can escape the Universal Law that governs The Light Of The God Force.


[edit on 4-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 10:44 AM
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wow is that ever mumbojumbo.

Riddle me this.
If he can levitate...but not all the time
blah blah blah
what happens when he is between two buildings and it gives out?

funny that never happens



ok mumbo jumbo some more
on with the show



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by junglelord
wow is that ever mumbojumbo.

Riddle me this.
If he can levitate...but not all the time
blah blah blah
what happens when he is between two buildings and it gives out?

funny that never happens

How would you know that never happens?


Get a grip and do the research man.


You obviously have no clue as to how telekinesis operates.

For example, David Blaine became physically ill and doubled over in pain on the grass right after he did a levitation off of a Texas highway. This was in the beginning of his television version of his Street Magic video. He even pleaded with a bystander to call an ambulance. That scene was omitted from his DVD, for obvious reasons.

They don't have full control over the power because it does not come from within them


[edit on 4-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard

Originally posted by junglelord
wow is that ever mumbojumbo.

Riddle me this.
If he can levitate...but not all the time
blah blah blah
what happens when he is between two buildings and it gives out?

funny that never happens

How would you know that never happens?


Get a grip and do the research man.


You obviously have no clue as to how telekinesis operates.

For example, David Blaine became physically ill and doubled over in pain on the grass right after he did a levitation off of a Texas highway. This was in the beginning of his television version of his Street Magic video. He even pleaded with a bystander to call an ambulance. That scene was omitted from his DVD, for obvious reasons.

They don't have full control over the power because it does not come from within them


[edit on 4-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]


Paul_Richard you are the type of laymen I love to do magic for. You truly believe in your heart it is real. When I do magic for people like you I feel awesome because Ive totally rattled their perception of reality. After all thats the point, to fool or trick into believing what the person saw was real.



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Digital_Reality

Paul_Richard you are the type of laymen I love to do magic for. You truly believe in your heart it is real. When I do magic for people like you I feel awesome because Ive totally rattled their perception of reality. After all thats the point, to fool or trick into believing what the person saw was real.

Hi Digital_Reality,

Thanks for the offer. I truly appreciate the effort.


However, I already know you don't have a Gift of Telekinesis.

So you just demonstrating to me your sleight-of-hand and other illusions, which I am sure would be entertaining, is pointless as far as magick is concerned.

I am sure that many would love to see you perform in an uploaded BTS video.





posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 11:34 AM
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I am sure that many would love to see you perform in an uploaded BTS video.

Id love to
,I have many already made XCM clips that ill upload for your enjoyment after work. Sorry but I do not have any magic clips so my skills with card flourishes will have to suffice.




posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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Criss Angel versus David Blaine

The above is an interesting comparison that highlights some of their TK feats. The only one that initially comes across as possibly an illusion is the pulling of the woman in half. You don't actually see her walk over and lie down. In light of that, she may have already been that way and just used fake legs.



[edit on 4-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Digital_Reality

Id love to
,I have many already made XCM clips that ill upload for your enjoyment after work. Sorry but I do not have any magic clips so my skills with card flourishes will have to suffice.




I have not read this whole thread and Im sorry if this has been previously discussed but I would like to see an explanation for this trick aside from the obvious. (i.e. video editing or they are all in on it)




posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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Criss Angel has a new season of Mindfreak coming out.

It starts tonight at 10 PM EST on A & E.




posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Criss Angel has a new season of Mindfreak coming out.

It starts tonight at 10 PM EST on A & E.


yupp...

let's all watch and discuss






posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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is it the rapture?
Is he gonna rise and levitate into heaven?


but seriously, I worked with as professional magician assistance for over 7 years.

The last time I caught his show I told him that although I had no idea how he did half of the new stuff that unless I knew better I would say he was an alien.

Trust me this stuff does bend the mind but its all smoke and mirrors.

the great skill is making it all believable.

as criss has ovbiously done so well based on the way people defend his supernatural powers.


[edit on 5-6-2007 by junglelord]



posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by junglelord


Trust me this stuff does bend the mind but its all smoke and mirrors.


Please show me where the smoke and mirrors are.
Angel and Blaine are a cut above any other magician illusionist out there today.

Again if you dismiss video editing how are these things done?




posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 07:04 PM
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Why would you dismiss video editing and the subjects being in on it when those are the likely explanations? The only way to do that trick is to have the subject be in on it. Plain and simple.



posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by junglelord
is it the rapture?
Is he gonna rise and levitate into heaven?

That's a good guess.

Perhaps you are more intuitive than you realize.


To answer your question:


In the mind-blowing third season opener Criss will astonish viewers by taking levitation to an unprecedented level--attempting to float more than 500 feet above ground over one of only two man-made objects that can be seen from space--the 800 degree light beam that sits atop his new home the Las Vegas' Luxor Hotel and Casino. Additionally, Criss will float down from the 26th floor of the Luxor atrium into a crowd in the lobby recreate his first-ever levitation by floating his now 72-year-old mother on a broomstick.

Source: A & E Page On Criss Angel.

Five hundred feet


Maybe he should have donned a cape for that one.



Originally posted by junglelord
as criss has obviously done so well based on the way people defend his supernatural powers.

Your basic assumption is correct.

However, it isn't Criss himself (or a Secondary Godhead Sun of his own creation - for those of you who are familiar with that term) that grants him his Gift of Telekinesis. It comes from a large Group Entity, i.e, the community of people that he came from in the Mid Realms of Spirit prior to his birth.

To have a powerful Gift, at least in the archaic sense, is more of a sociological or political favor than indicating spiritual attainment. Most people don't realize this and assume that people like Blaine and Angel must be highly evolved.


They are not.


For example, Adolf Hitler, who most conclude was an evil man, had a number of impressive Gifts given to him - like Charisma, Prophecy, etc. This signifies that Gifts may make one GREAT but they do not necessarily make one GOOD.

It all depends on what you do with your Gifts that counts in The Light - which we are all forced to face eventually due to entropy.



Originally posted by they see ALL
yupp...

let's all watch and discuss




Well, I suppose that it easier and safer than seeing him in person.


Brother etshrtslr,

You just keep uploading those insightful video clips of Criss Angel at work.


In some small ways, traditionally performed feats of telekinesis can be inspirational for those of us who are striving for the spiritual ideal of being able to not only duplicate them but to also surpass them after we return to the Primary Reality of The Light.





posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by nataylor
Why would you dismiss video editing and the subjects being in on it when those are the likely explanations? The only way to do that trick is to have the subject be in on it. Plain and simple.

Yeah...like the people Angel floated in the air on city sidewalks and in a public park - without any props whatsoever - were "in on it" and therefore had an advantage toward levitating.


Blaine and Angel perform manifestations that do not require their unpaid subjects to be in on anything


That's the whole point.



posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 07:39 PM
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Of course they were in on it. That is far more likely the explanation.

But their reactions looked so genuine, I'm sure you'll say. Well again, of course. Why would a magician hire bad actors?

You can't believe anything a magician says in their act. Their whole job is lie and misdirect.



posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 07:51 PM
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If its not smoke and mirrors then why does he call himself a magician?



posted on Jun, 5 2007 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by nataylor
Of course they were in on it. That is far more likely the explanation.

But their reactions looked so genuine, I'm sure you'll say. Well again, of course. Why would a magician hire bad actors?

You can't believe anything a magician says in their act. Their whole job is lie and misdirect.

Review all the posts made in this and the other ATS threads on David Blaine and Criss Angel.

You will find that there are ATS-ers who have stepped forward with eyewitness testimonies that they saw one or both of them perform right in front of them. No wires, no tricks, and no money was given to cover up a deception


How do you explain that?

Additionally, if what either of them did was fraudulent, don't you think that there would be people in here right now, posting themselves blue with eyewitness testimonies that they were paid to lie or to edit or to fake a trick that either Blaine or Angel have done?

Of course there would


The lack of testimony indicating fraud is also a key factor in analyzing the situation and determining if they do in fact have a Gift of Telekinesis.

If you are not yet educated enough to know that having a Gift of TK is even possible, then you need to do some homework. There are many video clips available online of people - like John Chang for example - that have remarkable talents (in addition to healing people) that cannot be faked either.

Note also John Chang's admitted connection to spirits (i.e., a Group Entity) that chided him for revealing his Gifts to the public on film. Which also points to where a Gift of Telekinesis comes from in the first place.



[edit on 5-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]



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