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Originally posted by jfj123
Anything that can affect the physical world, can be measured.
Originally posted by jfj123
Assuming instruments are used properly and they are indeed the correct instruments, if nothing is registered, no Chi.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Humorously, there is no high-tech equipment for teleportation.
Originally posted by jfj123
Actually there is! It's called quantum teleportation. Although currently in it's infancy, it exists nonetheless.
Originally posted by jfj123
Your thread is obviously outdated.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Originally posted by pavil
Care to tell me what seasons he did the building to building, Luxor float and top of Luxor levitations?
The seasons are irrelevant.
He did all of them on the MindFreak show that initially made him rich. Then came the Vegas gigs.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Hi Eyewitness86 & Enlightened Co-Patriots,
Criss Angel often has an abundance of witnesses on the street, park, golf course, hotel pool, etc., that serve to validate or confirm that what the camera sees the spectators do also. These are not people who pay to see him but who happen to be in the area, as with the crowds outside the Luxor Hotel on the sidewalk.
Secondly, if Criss Angel could perform high levitations and teleportations before he got rich from doing them, it is to his advantage to keep using that method, as high-tech levitation equipment is expensive and because it is basically impossible to detect the cause of the feat with physical instruments.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Oh right..I remember now..you said that only Criss is low enough to deceive the public by tricking video's and paying off witnesses to lie...that all of his natural competitors do not have the means or backing to do the same thing, right? And also you beieve that Criss alone has any interest in doing high levitations in public and gaining the fame and fortune, that all the others are too honest and principled to stoop to his level..is that correct? Does that sum up the essence of your belief
First, it is totally UNPROVEN that Criss does ANY of the things that you MUST presuppose in order to even extrapolate the allegatiop nthat others would be affected by it!! Unreal.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Originally posted by jfj123
Anything that can affect the physical world, can be measured.
Did you see the video of John Chang?
Look at it first and then get back to us.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Humorously, there is no high-tech equipment for teleportation.
Originally posted by jfj123
Actually there is! It's called quantum teleportation. Although currently in it's infancy, it exists nonetheless.
To be in an infancy stage, one would AT LEAST be able to teleport something small, even a molecule. They cannot even do that. All they can do is approximate the duplication of a subatomic particle.
Not even close.
Originally posted by jfj123
Your thread is obviously outdated.
The article is dated February 15, 2008 and I did not start the thread on teleportation.
Keep this up and I will be delighted to add you to my ignore list, as I care not to debate those too deep in prejudice and ignorance to warrant my efforts in illumination. Especially since there are others here more progressive and ready to learn
You know what?
I think I will just do that now.
You have certainly earned it.
Welcome to my ignore list.
Originally posted by pavil
Do you have any idea of A & E would pay for it's highest rated show and it's top star??? It is very relevant. With each season, CA's tricks got progressively more complex, which dovetails nicely with his increase in earnings. Just another coincidence to you I bet, even though you claim that to be one of the reasons for DC's tricks.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
I I HAVE presented evidence, over and over, and not ONE person has refuted that evidence with ANY proof whatsoever. NO PROOF that video's are altered to deceive ( they call regular editing ' alteration, which is silly)..NO PROOF that ANY witness has lied for Criss or been paid off by CRiss ( that is only in the imaginations of deniers..no prof of this has ever been shown )..and the deniers go downhill from there , even further along the road of assumption and imagination.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
reply to post by jfj123
I am NOT ripping apart anyone; if it looks like that it is because she is backed into a corner of logic from which there is no escape but admission of truth.
All I am doing is clarifying what she believes, thats all. If what she believes is so ridiculous and so far fetched that no rational person could believe it, well, thats the way the ball bounces in debate, isn't it? One side exposes the weakness of the other''s case and asks readers to decide which version is more likely and possible. Thats all.
Is it likley that Criss is never duplicated and never copied in his high levitations because no one else wants fame and money?
Is that human nature and the nature of performers in Vegas? No, Impossible. To imagine that all the others are too moral and too highly principled to want riches and fame is just ridiculous..silly. Who in their right mind could believe that?
Each and every excuse that the deniers use to try and come up with a way Criss can do all these things is torn to shreds under the scrutiny of even a casual observer.
It makes no sense to suppose all these traits that humans do not exhibit, and the conspiracies of silence that would have to be kept covered up..and on and on. They simply do not have anything of substance to refute the evidence.
I HAVE presented evidence, over and over, and not ONE person has refuted that evidence with ANY proof whatsoever.
NO PROOF that video's are altered to deceive ( they call regular editing ' alteration, which is silly)..NO PROOF that ANY witness has lied for Criss or been paid off by CRiss ( that is only in the imaginations of deniers..no prof of this has ever been shown )..and the deniers go downhill from there , even further along the road of assumption and imagination.
Violet is greaping at desperate measures to still believe what she does: How LIKLELY is it that she is right?
What are the odds that what she says could be the real answer?
NONE. Zero. Nada. She has to imagine that Criss has some kind of special ability to get people to lie for him and remain loyal and silent forever..is THAT sensible?
Is THAT what you would call the proof that we are asking for? Unreal.
Violet will imagine ANY scenario, no matter HOW earth shattering the odds are, to keep belieivng in her supposition...the real question is WHY does she cling to illogical presumptions and totally unproven hypotheticals?
It has to do with HER ability to discern the truth, or lack thereof, and not anything to do with Criss and the truth. She has a NEED to believe that Criss, nor anyone else, can levitate.
She cannot come up with ONE witness who alleges a payoff, or admits to lying for Criss for NO compensation.
When I read what Violet wrote, that she really believes that the witnesses are lying, and that they are lying even if not paid to do so, she wandered into the land of Alice and the rabbit hole, a fantasy world where any imagined scenario is just as valid as a proven fact.
Only in that land can one believe in people that lie for fun and stay silent forever...
or where props are invisible and Las Vegas performers have lost their competitive nature and are content to remain poor and unknown while Criss stays on top forever.
You see how ludicrous it gets? You have to strip the veneer away from the deniers real core beliefs and expose them openly and in plain language so all can see exactly where they are coming from. Once that is done, it is easy to show the average reader how totally empty their basket of proof really is. You would think that ONE witness would spill the beans...especially if they were not paid and had lied' just for fun ' for Criss..but no, never do we hear from them either.
Here is the bottom line: What is more likley? That CRiss can levitate for brief periods without props, or that vast conspiracies of silence, paid or voluntary, along with decective and misleading video trickery accounting for Criss' fame?
I have offered this before, and will again: Want to shut me up, teach me a lesson , humiliate me and make me admit I was wrong and eat as much crow as you care to, before I voluntarily resign from ATS forever ? Here is all you have to do:
Show us proof, evidence, convincing enough to establish as fact, that Criss uses props in the high levitations and I will do so, on my word. All I ask is that it be real proof, not looking at some shadow and extrapolating some imagined whatever from it. ONE picture that shows the props used. ONE witness that alleges a payoff, or ONE witness that lied for Criss for free..ONE statement by an employee or former employee that tells us how Criss uses deceptive video alteration to change the event seen.
Criss said " I never use trick photography " , but the denier will just say that Criss is lying..like all the witnmesses who do so..right?
So, my friend, if my writing makes Violet look like she is being shredded, it is because her assumptions are so far out and incredible that it makes it a lot easier to believe in levitation!!
Originally posted by pavil
Why do you contend CA was poor before Mindfreak occurred? He had a multiple year run of an off Broadway show and had done a handful of TV specials, mainly for ABC Family Channel. A&E would have given him a good sized contract with a substantial advance to get the series rolling.
Originally posted by pavil
Most high end up close magic tricks run 2,000 to 4,000 depending on the trick. Bigger illusions run upwards of $10,000 and more. Custom built big ticket tricks like you see in Vegas shows and *gasp* CA's Mindfreak can run $25,000 and up depending on the type of trick and the amount of work needed to fabricate it into reality.