reply to post by InSpiteOf
If hard data is required for you to comprehend outrageous odds then you are being disingenuous to the max. You KEEP trying to turn it around: I HAVE
presented proof, the video's and witness statements. YOU have NOT refuted any of them. You claim that CLOUDS are a telling sign of some trickery: U,
bro..clouds move in the wind and change position, sometimes within seconds. Camera angle also plays a part.
WHY don't you cover the points that shred your argument? You IGNORE the parts that make you guys look silly. Why not just come out and say " Look,
we DO accept the things listed in your post and here is why." We know why; because any answer given will be so ludicrous that you would be
embarrassed, thats why. So instead you just take the back road to the logical path.
It takes believing in MULTIPLE , odds defying circumstances to be a denier. What do I have to do to get a straight answer? I know, I will list them
with numbers and you can answer each one, YES or NO...OK? That will tell us all we need to know. A yes or no is all that is needed.
1.. Do you believe that Criss hires actors and brings them to events and pays them to act supprised and to ignore the ' props ' and ' cranes ' ,
etc. that he allegedly uses to trick us on video? Yes or no.
2. Do you believe that Criss has some method that insures that all these paid witnesses, etc. will remain silent forever, thus protecting him from
discovery? Yes or no.
3. Do you believe that Criss is the only person on earth to do high levitations in public and with large numbers of people watching and filming
because no one else wants to be as dishonest and sneaky, or because they just do not care about money and fame and advancing their own careers? Yes or
4. Do you believe that Criss' employees and the employees of all the hotels, etc. are all told to lie to cover up the truth about Criss events and
to also remain silent forever? Yes or no.
5. Do you have any articulable and substantial evidence that proves that there is any reason to have answered YES to any of the above questions/
Yes or no? If so, what?
I could go on but if you give a straight YES or NO to the questions above, we can then identify your real and actual beliefs, and you can tell US
why you believe that way. You are accusing Criss of NOT being able to levitate, yet you provide no evidence, only guesses as to how it MAY have been
done, and virtually ALL of those answers are not only totally without any foundation in reality, but in plain contradiction to what is seen on the
You are always demanding that WE prove that what is seen is in fact what is seen...that is not the way it works, and you know it. Thats not honest
inquiry. YOU have the burden of proof since YOU are the accusers: you accuse Criss of being a sham, a crook, someone who deceives by fraudulently
altering video's to remove props, a guy with no morals about deception thru trrickery, a normal illusionist who happens to be willing to lower
himself to covering up props and silencing witnesses to make a buck...right? But you present NO proof.
So, answer the 5 questions above and then once you have stated your position, and WHY you believe that way, we can get back to rational discussion
of the events. No denier wants to go on record to state what they believe and why, because they know that it looks stupid to insist that all those
suppositions equal one iota of evidence.
And, In Spite Of the fact that all the deniers can point to are some SUPPOSED ' cloud anomalies' or a ' UFO ' in the sky, or the hilarious '
calculating the sway ' of Criss when levitating...they insist that they must be right!! If I could not come up with anything more substantial and
compelling than clouds moving thru the sky and other petty and NON evidential ' proofs ' then I would be asahmed to state with certainty that I knew
what the real deal was.
Let me ask you this: WHY on earth would I come to the conclusions I did and expose myself to possible permanent removal from ATS ( voluntary ),
which I promised to do after eating as much crow as you can dish out, with me humbly apologizing for my mistaken judgement IF you could PROVE to a
reasonable degree that I am wrong with evidence that would convince any sound mind that the likely answer was that props were used; and WHY would I
humiliate myself taking a firm stand on this issue , if there was obvious and plain proof that I am wrong? Why would I do that?
Why not just assume like you do?What made me come to the copnclusion that there are NO props used on the levitations at issue? I explained in
another post exactly why, but of course you do not respond to that and pick apart the logic I used..no, what you do is insist that I show you evidence
that what we see is really what we see!! Thats nervy but not honest debate.
It is exactly like saying: " you are a wife beater" and when I tell you that is a lie and ridiculous, you say " Well, PROVE to me that you are
not a wife beater!!" Why should I have to disprove some unfounded allegation? And, if I told you that you could examine her body for signs of abuse,
and see her medical records, and question her about if I beat her or not, and you did so and she denied it being true and no evidence existed that
would support your allegatiopn, you would simply say " Well, after all, she is your wife...maybe she is covering up for you and she never went to the
hospital after you beat her and she heals fast ".
You always have an excuse and an obfuscation and an allegation...but NEVER any evidence!! What you call ' evidence ' any rational observer would
call ' inconsequential issues having ZERO to do with the events as seen". We have to pin you guys down to specific's because you live in a world of
generalities and suppositions and guesses, NOT the realm of actual and substantive proofs.
You never answer the questions that really make you look silly, those you ignore as if they had not been written; the others you never really
answer, but instead you try to turn around logic and common sense and demand that WE prove to you that things that do not exist, do not exist!!??
How can I prove that a prop that does not exist is really not there? You will not accept video's showing NO PROPS, you will not accept testimony
that no props are there from eyewitnesses...your logic is like this:
Your kid wakes up at night and says that there is a ghost in his room. you turn the light on and showe him it's OK and to go back to sleep. But the
kid says" Wait a minute Daddy, PROVE to me that no ghost is here" The light is not enough, showing him the empty closet is not enough..nothing is
enough because he BELIEVES THAT A GHOST IS THERE DESPITE ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. Once a kid gets a belief in his mind , even though no proof
exists that it is real, only MATURITY and EXPERIENCE and an expanded world view will convince the kid that he is in fact alone at night.
Maybe YOU would say " Prove to me with infrared film taken on the night of the alleged ghost visit that no ghost was there" and when no such film
is found, natrually, you will claim that there was probably really a ghost there all along and the kid was right and the dad all wrong.
Well, son...until you can show ME the ghost in the closet, a rational person will keep on believing that it was never there in the first place...just
like all of the ' evidence ' you claim to have always ends up being some wispy imagining that clouds stand still and that witnesses all lie and stay
quiet forever....if that is the extent of your evidence, why in the world are you so sure of yourselves? WHAT gives you the confidence to believe in
that which cannot be seen, witnessed, filmed or experienced by any one at any time?
Your foundations are all reliant on the supposition that man cannot levitate under any circumstances, yet you have not given us one reason why that
is factual or likley given the evidence at hand, and that is the bottom line. Thanks for simply replying to 1-5 above and we will go from there.