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Turkey Claims Right To Enter Iraq

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posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 04:34 PM
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Turkey said it has the right to stage a cross-border offensive against Kurdish rebels in Iraq. They say Iraq is barely able to control its own cities so the Turks might have to take care of the "terror groups" in Iraq themselves.


Members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Iraq


Aljazeera.net: Turkey claims right to enter Iraq

20 July 2005


Basbug said Turkey has the right to stage a cross-border offensive against Kurdish rebels if Iraq does not fulfil its obligations to fight terrorism.

But Iraq is barely able to control its own cities. Turkey had expected the US and Iraq to eliminate guerrillas' safe havens, destroy their communications, cut support lines for arms and explosives as well as financial transactions in accordance with United Nations Security Council directives regarding terror groups, Basbug said.

Turks worry the war in Iraq could lead to Iraq's disintegration and the creation of a Kurdish state in the north. That could embolden autonomy-seeking Kurds in southeastern Turkey, where the Turkish army has been battling Kurdish rebels since 1984. The fight has left 37,000 dead.

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If they do launch a cross-border offensive, what will the consequences be? This could easily get out of hand.




posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 08:02 PM
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Hey people, I think you missed this one. Do you understand how serious this is?

Here for those of you who can speak german:
Der Spiegel: Erdogan droht mit Einmarsch in den Irak

Die Welt: Erdogan



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
Hey people, I think you missed this one. Do you understand how serious this is?

Here for those of you who can speak german:
Der Spiegel: Erdogan droht mit Einmarsch in den Irak

Die Welt: Erdogan


Unfortunately, the powers-that-be haven't commented on it yet, so no one knows what to think and say yet.

It can get a little crazy, but the fact that Iraq is completely out of hand isn't really new. Heck, maybe the US wants Turkey to help in Iraq by taking on Kurds. Turkey didn't even allow US forces to go through it during invasion, now they're going to enter the fray?



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 09:04 PM
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This is bad, very very bad.

An offensive, indepenant of the coalition will lead to confusion, and may even lead to other countries getting involved to protect their interests.

Who will Turkey answer too? Will their mistakes get pinned on the U.S.?

Guarantee you this, Turkey will lose more than it will gain.



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
Do you understand how serious this is?


How serious is it, exactly, Hellmutt, when you article openly states that Turkey and the Kurds have been going at it since 1984?

If one really wants to consider an announcement from Turkey as being quite "serious," try this one given to Syria:
Turkey asks syria to stop rebel infiltration into Iraq


ANKARA — Turkey on Friday warned Syria it would face mounting international pressure unless it took steps to enact ”more serious” measures to prevent foreign militants from entering Iraq, a top Turkish diplomat said.


The message was conveyed to Syria’s Deputy Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, who met Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul here as part of diplomatic efforts by Damascus to convince the international community that it is working in earnest to prevent the infiltrations.

“We told him (Muallem) that they should do their best and that otherwise they would be in trouble since they have no credibility in the West,” the diplomat told AFP.

“Turkey also expects Syria to take more serious measures,” he added.


Btw, as to your article and mention, here is the US response:
U.S. cautions Turkey not to pursue Kurds







seekerof



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
How serious is it, exactly, Hellmutt, when you article openly states that Turkey and the Kurds have been going at it since 1984?

Btw, as to your article and mention, here is the US response:
U.S. cautions Turkey not to pursue Kurds

Yup, exactly. That is why they are so eager to attack them now. Before the Americans went into Iraq they would not dare to attack the Kurds there. They have been fighting the Kurds in Turkey instead. Now they will do whatever it takes to prevent the Kurds from getting their own Kurdish state in northern Iraq.

That was not the US respons to this, btw. This was the Turks respons to the warning from the US. It´s the other way around. US cautioned Turkey not to pursue the Kurds in Iraq and then the Turks claimed that they have every right to do so. And they seem determined to do it...



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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And in their determination, have the Turks done so, yet?
Thank you.




seekerof



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
And in their determination, have the Turks done so, yet?

Not yet apparently. I guess we will find out eventually.


U.S. cautions Turkey not to pursue Kurds

18/07/2005


The Bush administration cautioned Turkey against pursuing Kurdish militants across the border into Iraq, saying it would be a difficult operation that could have ``unintended consequences.’’

"We share the view that the PKK is a terrorist organization," Fried said. "There is no place in Iraq for the PKK."

I guess the question is: will the US attack the PKK?



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 10:02 PM
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Turkey wants to be a part of the World. They would do anything to join trade and economy with Europe. They really want to become a member of the E.U... So if E.U tells them do not go into Iraq, then they won't. Perhaps Turkey is just using this as a bargaining chip to show the west that Turkey is on their side.

Turkey is a very powerful nation, we would love to have Turkey on our side. If however we turn them away from us, they then would become a Very Powerful Enemy, The likes of Iran.

This could be a good thing, personally I would love for Turkey to help us out in Iraq, by "taking out" radical kurds that wish to wage war. I know that the Kurds aren't our enemies...but if the Kurds are bringing the fight to the Turkish people...then Turkey has the right to defend itself.


And we should not defend the Kurds for their actions against Turkey.


The Western Syrian Border is the biggest problem in Iraq, and our resources are spread to thin to cover that area to stop more radicals from joining the fight. With Turkey stabilizing the areas in the North, we would be able to do so.


Turkey is a muslim nation, but they are also a Western Civilization.


cjf

posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
Yup, exactly. That is why they are so eager to attack them now. Before the Americans went into Iraq they would not dare to attack the Kurds there.


I believe Turkey has invaded northern Iraq more than once prior to the occupation of Iraq, this is from the comments on the May 1997 invasion.



20 May 1997. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan today condemned the Turkish military offensive and called for international pressure on Turkey to withdraw its troops. "Iraqi territorial integrity has to be respected," he told reporters in Vienna, Austria. This is the fourth straight spring that Turkey has sent troops into Iraq to attack the Kurdish rebels.
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Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
Turkey wants to be a part of the World. They would do anything to join trade and economy with Europe. They really want to become a member of the E.U... So if E.U tells them do not go into Iraq, then they won't. Perhaps Turkey is just using this as a bargaining chip to show the west that Turkey is on their side.


Riding the ‘proverbial’ fence until the very last minute and then pulling the carpet from underneath the coalition forces feet immediately prior to the invasion of Iraq was not a good start. Massing troops for another incursion is a bad finish.



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posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by cjf
I believe Turkey has invaded northern Iraq more than once prior to the occupation of Iraq

That´s right, they did. I forgot about that. Thanks.



posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 10:54 PM
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This is really nothing new. This has been Turkey's stance all along, and they have said so before. The last thing we need, however, is a problem in the North with the Kurds. It seems the Kurds are the only ones able to control their portion of the country and their citizens. We would need to drastically increase the number of our troops in order to handle any large military effort in the Kurdish areas.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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Turkey is again warning about invading Iraq. The Turkish Prime Minister repeated his warning in an interview with a British newspaper yesterday. Apparently the only thing that will prevent them from doing it, is US forces taking out the PKK.


The Daily Star - Turkey calls for U.S. action against PKK

July 29, 2005


Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has again warned he could take action against Kurdish guerrillas in Iraq if U.S. forces did not stop the rebels infiltrating across the border into Turkey. "At the moment, frankly speaking, we do not see the efforts by the U.S. that we expect to see. We have expressed our views to that effect to the Americans," Erdogan said in an interview yesterday with Britain's Times newspaper. "There is a time limit. There is a limit to our tolerance," said Erdogan.

He said Turkey was within its rights under international law to defend itself from attack and drew a comparison with U.S. action against Afghanistan after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"If a country, if a people, if a nation are under threat, that country can do what is necessary under international law ... we would exercise that right in the same way as any other country could, would and did exercise that right."

Turkey has vowed never to negotiate with the PKK and together with the United States and the European Union brands the group as a "terrorist organization."

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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 04:46 PM
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I don't think this is serious, or bad. Turkey has done it before and will undoubtedly do it again.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 05:22 PM
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I'd say that this is pretty serious, but that they're not going to cross because the US has just enough influence to prevent that. The Turks already have troops in iraq keep in mind. So short of a major invasion, they should, in theory, be able to mount a response and pre-empt any terrorism comming out of the kurd population. Hell, they can probably act as intelligence for the US and then the US woudl strike.

But yea, a Turk invasion of northern Iraq would be a catastrophe. The Kurds are an iranian people who spread into iraq and turkey. That means that kurds in iran, iraq, and turkey will start agitating. And if the Turks publically defy the US and the Iraqi Council, then once the kurds knock out the turks (they'd be doomed, the US would aid the kurds one way or another if the turks crossed them), there'd be a real agitation for more kurd authonomy in turkey, along with more independence in the north and more distance from the arabs and natives in iraq (who presumably wouldnt' participate in teh defense). Anything that leads torwards a path of an indepenent Kurdistan is a big
for regional stability (certainly in the short term anyway).



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 06:20 PM
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I wonder if this might be the start signal for Turkey to enter Iraq? A bomb exploded today in the town of Semdinli in Hakkari province, which borders both Iran and Iraq, killing five Turkish soldiers. They blame this bomb on the PKK.


TurkishPress.com: Turkey vows to crush Kurdish terrorists as bomb blast kills five soldiers

8/5/2005


A powerful bomb blast, blamed on Kurdish terrorists, killed five Turkish troops in the southeast of the country early Friday, prompting a pledge by the army to clamp down on the outlawed Kurdistan Workers` Party (PKK).

It added that the bomb was believed to have been set off either on a timer or by remote control.

Citing anonymous military officials, the Anatolia news agency reported that the explosives were left in a plastic bag and went off just as the soldiers were passing it.

Friday`s attack, which drew heavy condemnation from army chief Hilmi Ozkok, constituted the heaviest loss of life for Turkish security forces in recent months amid a marked increase in fighting between the army and PKK terrorists in the southeast.

"All of us are sad witnesses to the brutal and ruthless bomb attacks the PKK terrorist organisation has recently carried out against both military and civilian buildings and personnel," General Ozkok told a ceremony here to welcome back soldiers serving in the multinational peacekeeping force in Afghanistan.

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