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reply posted on 2-8-2005 @ 12:36 AM by nightwing
"a lot of speculation going on. the most powerful is hands down the S&W.460 with the S&W .500 right behind it" ==Metalmessiah

On one of my favorite topics? No Metal, I am doing the math, no speculation. I let others do the informed speculation. Here are
Chuck Hawks choice comments on the S/W 460.
"The 460's COL is too long to permit the cartridge to be chambered in existing Colt, Freedom Arms, Ruger, and Taurus revolvers,
so its popularity is automatically limited to those consumers with memories so short that they are willing to do business with Smith & Wesson.
Forsaking all common sense, which would indicate the heaviest pistol bullets available in the caliber for such a large case, the basic factory
specifications call for a 200 grain bullet at a MV of 2330 fps and ME of 2400 ft. lbs. A 200 grain bullet in such a big case is just about the
poorest possible choice for what is, realistically, a moose and elk gun.
Fortunately, there are many heavier and more suitable hunting bullets from Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Nosler, and Barnes available to the reloader.
460 reloading information is basically impossible to come by at this writing, but Hodgdon data shows that the 454 Casull cartridge can launch a
300 grain bullet at about MV of over 1700 fps with a MAP of around 53,000 cup. I would estimate that the 460 Magnum could exceed that
velocity by about 100 fps. That would be the kind of load that makes sense when using the 460 Mag. for hunting the largest North American antlered game." Quote of Chuck Hawks

Now the math
460 Factory spec 200 grain with a MV of 2330 fps gives ME of 2400 ft lbs. Taylor KO Value is 30. Now in the above quote from Chuck,
454 Casull 300 grain with MV of 1700 fps gives 1926 ft lbs. The Taylor KO Value is 33
So if you load the S/W 460 with 454 Casull rounds, they perform better for hunting. (They will fit and fire safely, by the way since the
460 is really a 454 Casull in a very slight case lengthening, with a price streach that is way beyond reasonable.)

Before you rush out and buy a very slightly lengthened 454 casull, here is a word of caution from SoldierTech
"A local sporting good store reported to SoldierTech that Smith & Wesson recommend having the barrels replaced by the factory for a
$100 fee after only 1200 to 1400 rounds. This is due to the high-pressure gas cutting into the back end of the barrel. If the gun owner
would ignore this problem, eventually the cylinder would also start to erode, causing all kinds of functionality problems. " == SoldierTech

My old FreedomArms 454 also had this problem BUT the FreedomArms folk were wise enough to machine a replaceable (screw in)
forcing cone in the barrel rear. When it shows wear, unscrew it and replace for a couple of bucks. Replacing the barrel is stupid gun
design. That reminds me, now quite a few folk have bragged about the Dessert Eagle 50 AE and the S/W 40 auto. I think you need
some cautionary safety facts about your favorites.
Maybe in another post, this is too long.


reply posted on 18-8-2007 @ 05:26 PM by Emperor_Zod
reply to post by gotrox

i beleive your mistaken about theak 47 being "7.62 nato" im usually not wrong about weaponry of the soviet and americans the ak is 7.62x39mm the 7.62 nato is 7.62x51mm commonly used with the h&k G3 rifle and the M14 but the uzi has been outclassed by a czech firearm known as the p90


reply posted on 18-8-2007 @ 06:49 PM by orangetom1999
Hey guys..I never really cared for this type of thread.

It is really overated. Almost pubescent to me.

Some like nightwing have made some good informed posts.

All this power stuff just smacks of pimples and styling and profiling.

Pubescence.

One of the key factors spoken about by knowlegable posters here ..is affordability. Definitely a factor. Someone mentioned a certain caliber of ammo being some $6 or more per round. To me that doesnt make good nonsense. I will never pay for something like that and I am a reloader. This is one of the main reasons I steered away from owning a .44 Magnum. Different primers, different powder and different bullets from most of what I stock and currenly reload.

Also in the x ring those posting about prohibitive recoil....and a career supporting the medical profession.

I have been studying the idea of purchasing a 7mm TCU barrel for my Contender. This is a necked up .223 case..necked up to 7mm or .284 diameter bullets. I am sitting on a couple thousand once fired .223 cases. This case has tolerable recoil and is capable of more energy down range when necked up to 7mm for hunting verses the parent .223 cartridge from which it extends. Good accuracy too within its range.

Power per se...is not everything to me. If I want power at pistol ranges... I use my shotgun. close up. Plenty powerful and affordable too.

I dont get all excited over pistol power..I just think much of it is overated.
It is about a pistol with sufficient power for its intended usage. Also what one can afford to feed..monitarily. Nightwing is in the x ring on this .

I dont get all excited over power.. I see this nonsense all the time at the gun shows to get unthinking people on the treadmill. It makes for nice show off type stuff..just not practical for most of us.

I have more appreciation and respect for design, practicality and qualty workmanship than raw power.

Thanks,
Orangetom



reply posted on 18-8-2007 @ 08:03 PM by WyrdeOne
reply to post by Nachtmahr



Well, the Comanche is a very light, hand-held shotgun - draw your own conclusions. I think it's also chambered for .410, which would be even better in terms of recoil if that's the main concern. It's a nice coincidence that one of my other personal favorites is a .22/.410 over/under combo by Springfield Arms, a lightweight Scout rifle.

I think they make a nice pair for the out-of-doors, and one needn't worry too much about the single-shot nature of the guns - if you come across something in the woods that won't die after a .22LR in a vital organ, and two .410 shot shells in the face, you were foolish to have thought you could eat it in the first place, that's my opinion.

Back to the recoil, I'm sure you could mitigate it further with a folding stock. It wouldn't be my personal preference, but to each his own.


reply posted on 3-9-2008 @ 11:16 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Xenopathic_Investigator



the worlds most powerful handgun is definitely the Pfeifer-Zeliska .600 Nitro Express Magnum. check it out.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 01:57 PM by Gregarious
reply to post by GrOuNd_ZeRo



The .50 round will destroy an engine in a moving vehicle, and also go right thru a flak jacket. They are illegal to own in California, although I think that is only rifles, I don't know. If anyone is struck by a .50 they immediatley pass out, if they live.


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