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NEWS: 2.5 Million May Starve in Niger

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posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Flinx
As to the West invading Africa, that would probably be the worst possible thing to do.


Agreed.

the very people crying for the west to go in and do something are the same ones that would be screaming "racial genocide" the first time a westerner shot an African, and scream how we were murdering children every time a warlord killed them for wanting candy. And since the Muslims seem to be the bad guys in some of it, it would HAVE to be proof we only wanted to slaughter Muslims.


BUT

I was hearing on MSNBC that the African Union was willing to step into the Sudan at least, and THIS I think is the right way.

The west could help equip and arm them to do this all over the African trouble spots. Of course some will still cry and moan over the murder of the poor innocent warlords and slave traders by the American "puppets"but I think this would be the best way to go. It would minimize our interference and maximize the accomplishments of the African people in there own behalf.




posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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The recent trouble Rice's delegation had this week shows a symptom of the problems in Africa. The Sudanese, typical of the dictators in the region, are used to getting their own way, even when it comes to the U.S. delegates. They're worried about money and aid, yet they're roughing up and interrogating Alan Greenspan's WIFE!?!?!



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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There's no use giving more money as long as it keeps getting pocketed by thug warlords.

We could give them a million a month, and it wouldn't make a dent unless the greed factor is removed. Put 10 men on an island, and give them each a dollar, in a weeks time, one man will have eight dollars, two others will still have their dollar, and the rest will be looking for charity. It's been this way always.

We can't just rampage in their and kill all the greedy politicians and warlords. We wouldn't allow another country to do that here!

And we can't subsidize cruelty for no other reason than this repugnant, false moral superiority.

I see no option presenting itself, other than removing ourself from the equation, and helping individuals the best we can in our daily lives.

All this pretentious nation-building is bittersweet when we can't even handle our own problems in the West.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by soulforge
Countries control their own resources. Period.

If Tanzanians are not making money off of this enterprise, then they are fools, pure and simple. If no one is making money from this, break out the Tanzanian army and blockade the Airport. No one in the world will argue with that decision.

Nope, that won't happen. Someone is getting a little kickback from the Russian company. Africans are starving Africans, while making millions collecting the kickbacks from the west as the fish fly out of the country.

Stop the corruption and things will get better. Stopping the planes will only increase the fish population, not feed the masses.


It's not just Tanzania, Soulforge; It's most of central and eastern Africa.
And how do you propose that the people of Africa stop the corruption.?
They have no power to do anything but suffer, starve and watch their children die.

- Every day, diarrhoeal diseases cause some 6,000 deaths, mostly among children under five.
- In 2001, 1.96 million people died from infectious diarrhoeas; 1.3 million were children under five.
- Between 1,085,000 and 2,187,000 deaths due to diarrhoeal diseases can be attributed to the 'water, sanitation and hygiene' risk factor, 90 percent of them among children under five.
- With simple hygiene measures such as washing hands after using the toilet or before preparing food, most of these deaths are preventable.- UNESCO

...but there is another problem that makes these problems almost impossible...the lack of clean safe water.
1 billion people lack access to improved water supply
2.4 billion people lack access to improved sanitation
Access to piped water through household connections
- Latin America and the Caribbean: 66%
- Asia: 49%
- Africa: 24%
Access to sanitation linked to a sewage system:
- Latin America and the Caribbean: 66%
- Asia: 18%
- Africa: 13%
To achieve the above targets:
- an additional 1.5 billion people will require access to some form of improved water supply by 2015, that is an additional 100 million people each year (274,000/day) until 2015;
- access to drinking water globally means providing services for about 1.9 billion people are required to gain access to improved sanitation, that is an additional 125 million people each year (342,000/day) until 2015;
- in urban areas, more than 1 billion additional people will need access to both water supply and sanitation over the next fifteen years in order to meet the targets

So where does the help come from? The African people sure don't have the power to fix these problems theirselves and their governments are unconcerned or overwhelmed. If the countries that have the power to help don't, then millions and millions of African men, women, and especially children will suffer starvation, disease and death. If you saw someone dying of hunger or thirst and you had the power to save their life, would you do it.? Of course, you would.! So, why should we expect the rich countries of the world help the poor.?Come on, now; it's only right.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 04:55 PM
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Great Post Stormrider!





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posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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HELP

help Pronunciation (hlp)
v. helped, help·ing, helps
v.tr.
1. To give assistance to; aid: I helped her find the book. He helped me into my coat.
2. To contribute to the furtherance of; promote.
3. To give relief to: help the needy.
4. To ease; relieve: medication to help your cold.
5. To change for the better; improve: A fresh coat of paint will help a scarred old table.
6. To refrain from; avoid or resist. Used with can or cannot: couldn't help laughing.


Its not REALLY Help if you have to Scream and Shout, HELP ME! HELP ME!

Thats like watching a Wounded Man and doing NOTHING to help him, but just wataching him bleed to death, and waiting for him to say: HELP ME! - and then start helping him.

Now is that really called Help?

I thought Help was, when you ACT without anybody asking you for it....



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 05:55 PM
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Great definition there, Souljah.
And again, the West and the UN has been helping Africa, for quite some time now.
Russia?
China?
The Arab League?
Did I forget to mention anyone?

Billions Souljah, hundreds of billions have been given to help·ing Africa.
When will some of these African governments be held accountable for apparently doing nada with those funds given?
When will some of these African governments be held responsible for not doing little to nothing to help their own people, despite the billions that have been given?

Here is an enlightening read for you and some others?
The Sorry Record of Foreign Aid in Africa



seekerof

[edit on 22-7-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 06:18 PM
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Causes of Poverty

- Half the world -- nearly three billion people -- live on less than two dollars a day.

- The GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of the poorest 48 nations (i.e. a quarter of the world's countries) is less than the wealth of the world's three richest people combined.

- Nearly a billion people entered the 21st century unable to read a book or sign their names.

- Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn't happen.

- 1 billion children live in poverty (1 in 2 children in the world). 640 million live without adequate shelter, 400 million have no access to safe water, 270 million have no access to health services. 10.6 million died in 2003 before they reached the age of 5.


All over the world, disparities between rich and poor, even in the wealthiest of nations is rising sharply. Fewer people are becoming increasingly “successful” and wealthy while a disproportionately larger population are also becoming even poorer.


Conflicts in Africa

Africa has become an attractive and profitable dumping ground for nations and arm manufacturers eager to get rid of weapon stocks made superfluous by the end of the Cold War or by technological developments.

There have been over 9.5 million refugees and hundreds and thousands of people have been slaughtered in Africa from a number of conflicts and civil wars. If this scale of destruction and fighting was in Europe, then people would be calling it World War III with the entire world rushing to report, provide aid, mediate and otherwise try to diffuse the situation


"To kill the big rats, you have to kill the little rats."

This was broadcast by a Rwanda radio during the genocide in 1994, where some 300,000 children were said to be killed.

"In the past decade, an estimated two million children have been killed in armed conflict. Three times as many have been permanently disabled or seriously injured."

As if that is not Enough - these People have to die from Lack of Food and they have to STARVE to DEATH, while you waste precious time on Words and Talk this and that and Chit-Chat about "Africa's Problems".

www.globalissues.org...

[edit on 22/7/05 by Souljah]



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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Souljah,
One: link your sources for the quotes. Always give proper credit to those you are 'borrowing' information from.
Two: you did read the article provided? If so, your comments to it where to spout the above rhetorical response?




seekerof



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Causes of Poverty

As if that is not Enough - these People have to die from Lack of Food and they have to STARVE to DEATH, while you waste precious time on Words and Talk this and that and Chit-Chat about "Africa's Problems".


Excuse me, but I do not consider this [quoted below] as idle conversation or remotely resembling "words and talk and that and Chit-Chat about 'Africa's Problems":


For almost half a century the countries of Africa have been awash in aid. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been given to African governments. More billions were lent to these same governments. Countless tons of food have inundated the continent, and swarms of consultants, experts, and administrators have descended to solve Africa’s problems. Yet the state of development in Africa is no better today than it was when all this started. Per capita income, for most of Africa, is either stagnant or declining.

Just a few years ago a World Bank report admitted that 75 percent of their African agricultural projects were failures.1 Other aid agencies weren’t any luckier. Operation Mils Mopti in Mali was supposed to increase grain production but the government imposed “official” prices on the grain and had to force farmers into selling their crops at these below-market rates. As a result grain production fell by 80 percent.2 In Senegal $4 million was spent to increase cattle production in the Bakel region. But in the end only 882 additional cattle were being reared there.3


And more "words and talk and that and Chit-Chat about 'Africa's Problems"?


In Northern Kenya, Norwegian aid agencies built a fish-freezing plant to help employ the Turkana people. But after completion it was discovered that the plant required more power than was available in the entire region.4 In another aid fiasco, $10 million was spent in Tanzania to build a cashew-processing plant. The plant had a capacity three times greater than the country’s entire cashew production, and the costs were so high that it was cheaper to process the cashews in India instead.5

--snip--

And while hungry faces are used on posters and in media reports to sell the virtues of foreign aid, it is the hungry who rarely see any of the funds. Poverty may be used to justify the programs, but the aid is almost always given in the form of government-to-government transfers. And once the aid is in the hands of the state it is used for purposes conducive to the ruling regime’s own purposes.

The Sorry Record of Foreign Aid in Africa

Interesting that you would say such, all the while continuing to ignore the real problems within Africa own governments. Place the blame where it realistically belongs, k?




seekerof

[edit on 22-7-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Souljah,
One: link your sources for the quotes. Always give proper credit to those you are 'borrowing' information from.

Sorry, I forgot - its Fixed.



Two: you did read the article provided? If so, your comments to it where to spout the above rhetorical response?

I have Read the Article.

I Fully Understand.

Prior to colonialization Africa had no such thing as the nation-state. It was a collection of hundreds and hundreds of distinct tribal cultures, many of which had long histories of antagonism toward one another. The European colonies merged these diverse tribes into the modern nation-state, which, as long as the central government was controlled by “neutral” Europeans, kept the conflicts to a minimum. But when European intellectuals abandoned colonialist theories for a Marxist-Leninist theory of imperialism, the Europeans pulled out almost overnight.

What they left behind was a series of artificial nation-states, which now exacerbated age-old tribal conflicts as each group attempted to grab the reins of power before their enemies could.

www.fee.org...


That is like First you Cut a Man and give him a Deadly Wound - and then you start to Appologize and start to Cure that Wound that is really so Deep and Serious that he is probably going to Die despite all of Your Efforts to Cure it and make it better.

Thats how Africa is Bleeding to Death now.

Thanks to the West and the Greedy Colonializm that has brought Africa to the State that is now in, Today.

They would be FAR BETTER OF, if NOBODY Every Discovered them at all.


And here is another Interesting Part:

“Aid has in many places actually destroyed the possibility for sustained economic growth by driving local producers, especially farmers, out of business.”29 Somali Abdirahman Osman Raghemade made the same point regarding medical aid: “Look into drug donations and how they destroyed our developing health system. We once had so many pharmacies here.

Great Job!

[edit on 22/7/05 by Souljah]



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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UPDATE

Some aid is arriving, and a further 10 million has been pledged in the last ten days. This is more money than was taken in during the 10 months prior.

Source

Good news for those facing starvation. It appears that the UN's international appeal and news blitz did the trick. Now the tricky part, distributing the aid effectively.



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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From the Link Supplied Above:



Landlocked country in West Africa
One of poorest nations in world
Population of 11.5m
60% of population live on a $1 a day
50% of population under 15
82% of population depend on subsistence farming

Many are stripping trees of leaves because they have so little to eat. On the ground, a plane carrying 16 tons of food arrived on Friday but the BBC's Hilary Andersson, in southern Niger, says that this a drop in ocean as at least 23,000 tons are needed.



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

They starve, but their MAIN Export Article is FISH.

Emphasis mine.

You said it.

[edit on 23-7-2005 by jsobecky]



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Souljah----

How dare you try to blame the west for AFRICAs problems. Weve been there for 20 years just trying to get these people to learn how to feed themsleves, and they cant even do that. Your talking about a continent where raping babies is thought of as a cure for AIDS.

We send food, the warlords take it. We show up to make SURE the food gets there, they shoot at us. Screw em. Why should we care? They dont care about themselves. Its a giant continent of handouts. America is a nothing more than a big welfare check to them.

Oerhaps if more effort was put into farmin than making babies they wouldnt all be starving to death. They did and continue to do this to themselves. Quit crying about it, and blaming the white man. They got a WHOLE continent and still screw it up.



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by spliff4020
Screw em. Why should we care?

Typical Response:

"Screw'Em!"

Shows Great Compassion.



[edit on 23/7/05 by Souljah]



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Not as much compassion as draggin our dead helicopter pilots thru the streets, Im sure....

Im stickin to it....If HALF the effort was put forth by these people to irragate and help themsleves, as is put into making babies, then raping them or diseases contracted thru making babies theyd be better off.

If they even tried to help themsleves an ounce, it would go along way. People been trying to help them for years. The worlds welfare program.



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 12:58 PM
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Nice thread we have going.

Only capitalism and democracy can save Africa.

Sending them money and assistance is a waste. This has been proven time and time again.

Comedian Sam Kennison said it best "Move...pack up the U-Haul and get out. You live in a desert...move to where to food is."

Can't feed your kids? Stop having them. That goes for anywhere in the world, the US included.

(edit-do not try and beat the censors.)

[edit on 23-7-2005 by asala]



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Comedian Sam Kennison said it best "Move...pack up the U-Haul and get out. You live in a f'n desert...move to where to food is."

Can't feed your kids? Stop having them. That goes for anywhere in the world, the US included.



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Couldn't have said it better myself.



posted on Jul, 23 2005 @ 01:43 PM
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News Forum, please keep it clean.




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