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Ahhh, its all about Israel No.2

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posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 11:04 PM
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Well, Ive got some MORE points I wish to bring up!
But i want to start off with something.

Upon jumping through other BLOGS And forums regarding the ISRAELI connection to current world affairs, I noticed one glaring similarity between all posts..

All of them commented on how Jewish members of the site made it policy NOT TO bump threads mentioning MOSSAD or Israeli involvment.
It is thought that the Jewish members would STRONGLY oppose the message in the board, and yet go onto to post outragous claims in the Sept11 posts to distort the truth very much. IE Holograms used on WTC planes, and even a PLANE actually hitting the pentagon.

My previous post I feel suffered the same fate, and was even mentioned by a poster that it would be hurridley hussed up by Jewish members quickly making the post mute.

' Previous Thread 'GOOD READ'

Ok, now back to the dirty stuff.

Firstly some points that are already mentioned to death.

Why are these ARAB Men STILL Being labelled Alqaeda terrorists from Sept 11,


when they have all gone onto national NEWS channels in there countries and claimed I wasnt a part of it, im very much alive. Why did FBI Director Robert Mueller come out and say these men were the victim of ID theft, yet the mainstream media still insists these men did the crime?
IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE.


DId you know that it has been leaked that there were 2x Israeli's on board the flights? The first flight had a Capt in Israel’s Sayeret Matkal ( world’s premier anti hijacking unit) and second jet had a Mossad agent name Alovra Ahraham on that.And these are only the ones that have been LEAKED.
Well, you'll notice that the Israeli's were not included in the passenger lists.
And you'll also note that you dont hear about this chap belonging to the Israel Defence department.


Flight 11
Flight 77
Flight 175
Flight 93

This is the passenger listing of the people onboard the flights from sept11
Notice how all MUSLIM names have been kept hidden from the public?
Even tho the USA annouced all the proported hicjakcers names to the media?

Regardless of the fact 7-8 of these men have come forward ALIVE and well, the USA STILL claims they committed the acts.
Even tho in Saudi Arabia, ONE man recieved a apology from the United STATES..We here just didnt hear or read about that!

Another interesting fact,
did you know flight 77 that hit the pentagon made a 270oC turn on a dime, then turned off the transponder.
Something officials say IS extrememly difficult to do for even a qualified pilot.
Let alone some novice trained arabs.

"Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide. " I must of missed that picture.

Where's the Plane?

Anyways back to the Israeli's
Did you know its an Israeli company that holds MAJORITY stake in controlling airport secuirity?

Lets look at Israeli's in the USA media limelight.... the same media that brainwashed the public about IRAQ

Sumner Redstone - Owns 8Million$$$ worth of Viacom, which gives him control of CBS, Viacom and MTV.
Leslie Moonves - President of CBS, is a nephew of the former ISRAELI president David Ben-Gurion
Michael Eisner - Major owner of Disney Capitol, which owns ABC is, yes an Israeli
Mel Karamazin the president of FOX is also Jewish.
Sandy Grushow/Gail Berman FOX NEWS
Jamie Kellner Tuner Broadcasting
Jordan Levin Warner Bro's
Robert Sillerman Clear Channel Communications
Ivan Seidenberg Verizon Communications
Mort Zuckerman OWNS Us news and NY Daily
Arthur Sulzberger NY Times, Boston Globe
Donald Graham, Jr. News Week, Washington Post

That is JUST TO NAME A FEW.. All israeli/Jewish or extrememly well FUNDED and AIDED by Jewish people.
Its no wonder almost 90% of the MOSSAD/ISRAELI Spy arrests or altercations regarding Sept 11 and government officials go UNREPORTED.

Im not saying all these people are spies or working for the MOSSAD, But if IRAN had majority of its News and MEDIA outlets controlled by IRAQI's it would appear VERY VERY SUSPECT, obviously our government DOESNT CARE... or doesnt want YOU TO CARE.


What about the REACTIONS from Israeli's after sept 11

Ehud Sprinzak, terrorism expert at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said "From the perspective of Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor."
The attack "was good for the Jews," "It is very good", said Netanyahu...before he caught himself and amended his statement.
In an interview with Le Monde, Ami Ayalon, former Head of Israeli Shin Bet, stated: "Since September 11, our leaders have been euphoric."



What happened to those BLACK BOXES?
New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book -- self-published by several Ground Zero workers -- that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four black boxes from the flight.

But our government assures us, they NEVER found those boxes..
What is on them that needs to be hidden

Why did Condolleza Rice warn her counterpart NOT TO TRAVEL during the period of sept11?
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Why did the president say 130 Israeli's were KILLED in the WTC, yet only 2 israeli's were reported killed?

You'd think with the passenger lists, and working lists of the WTC you'd know how and how many people died.
Someone is being FED wrong information.
It wasnt a mistake about Australians, Brits or Kiwis, it was ISRAELIS.

Why is it a communications company Otigo warned its Israeli citizens of an attack only 2hrs prior to the first plane hitting WTC?
Turns out Otigo's head office is in Tel aviv, right next to the head office of the MOSSAD.

Now something else you DIDNT know.

PTECH.
Ptech is a mysterious software company that soon died after 911. PTech produced software that derived from PROMIS, that had an artifical intellegence core. This software was installed on almost every US Governemnt and military agence on sept11.
This included the FAA.

To take control of a plane you'd need PTECH's software to do it. and PROMIS Was just the answer.
Odd this company, just like the other whitehouse communications company was really an Israeli firm.

Odd? Or just conincidence...
Imagine if it hadda been Iraqi... you woul of heard everything and anything about this.
But being Israeli. Its all HUSH HUSH.

"Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as Israeli citizens, sold “short” a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be “in the millions of dollars.”
Again, Why did Israeli's decide to place so much stock activity? what did they know?

The following is a list of 32 people high up in US Government positions with influential or direct connection to Israel, and Zionism.

1). Richard Perle--(28 March Perle just resigned over his conflict of interest
Yet he denied any wrong doings!) One of Bush's foreign policy advisors, he is the
chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A very likely
Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry
Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency
(NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security)
documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli
weapons firm, Soltam. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli
fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration
and now in the media.

2). Paul Wolfowitz----Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's
Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate
of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His
sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz is the number two leader within the
administration behind this Iraq war mongering.

3). Douglas Feith----Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at
the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his
Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel
extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is
closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization
of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its
extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences.

Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one
International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is
representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior
to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments
Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.
Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this
Israeli proxy war against Iraq.

4). Edward Luttwak----Member of the National Security Study Group of
the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an
Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for
Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an
Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the
necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq.

5). Henry Kissinger-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits
on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed
information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book
(Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger had a
part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile
dictatorship, and more recently served as Serbian Dictator Slobodan
Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocates going to war against
Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

6). Dov Zakheim----Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller, and Chief
Financial Officer (CFO) for the Department of Defense. He is an
ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim
attended attended Jew's College in London and became an ordained
Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York's
Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.

7). Kenneth Adelman-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also
sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is
another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war
against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often
expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim
views. Through his hatred or stupidity, he actually called Arabs
"anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it
up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are
Semites.

8). I. Lewis Libby -----Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff.
The chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why
Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iraq. Libby is longtime associate of
Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli
spy Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president.

9). Robert Satloff----U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff
was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank,"
Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli
lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

10). Elliott Abrams-----National Security Council Advisor. He
previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public
Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the
Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin
American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra
Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to
fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to
overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government.

He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and
thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled
guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's
probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former
President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of
the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State
Department.

11). Marc Grossman-----Under Secretary of State for Political
Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director
of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of
many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton
Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

12). Richard Haass-----Director of Policy Planning at the State
Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National
Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign
Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in
the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security
Council, and who consistently advocates going to war against Iraq.
Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security
Study Group, at the Pentagon.

13). Robert Zoellick-----U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level
position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the
Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a
portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style
puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against
Iraq.

14). Ari Fleischer----Official White House Spokesman for the Bush
(Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports
state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely
connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch
Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and
insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of
Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award
from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

15). James Schlesinger-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger
also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is
another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war
against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense
Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

16). Mel Sembler-----President of the Export-Import Bank of the
United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National
Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-
Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses
and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

17). Michael Chertoff ----Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal
Division, at the Justice Department.

18). Joshua Bolten----Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former
legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.

19). Steve Goldsmith----Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's
Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the
White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White
House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the
former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli
Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors
on privatization initiatives.

20). Adam Goldman-----White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish
Community.

21). Joseph Gildenhorn-----Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the
Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush
campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to
Switzerland.

22). Christopher Gersten-----Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary,
Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the
former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband
of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel.
Their children are being raised Jewish.

23). Mark Weinberger-----Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax
Policy.

24). Samuel Bodman-----Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the
Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

25). Bonnie Cohen-----Under Secretary of State for Management.

26). Ruth Davis-----Director of Foreign Service Institute, who
reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office
is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including
ambassadors).

27). Lincoln Bloomfield-----Assistant Secretary of State for
Political Military Affairs.

28). Jay Lefkowitz-----General Counsel of the Office of Budget and
Management.

29). David Frum-----White House speechwriter.

30). Ken Melman-----White House Political Director.

31). Brad Blakeman------White House Director of Scheduling.

32). Colin Powell-----Secretary of State, ex-chairman of Joint Chiefs
of Staff, of Jamaican origin, he has one Jewish ancestor on his
father's side. He grew up in a heavily Jewish-populated neighborhood
in New York, and speaks Yiddish. The first day of being picked
(12/16/2000) he said he wanted to toughen sanctions on Iraq, and will
work to "re-energize the sanctions regime," even though he knows the
embargo has killed 2 million Iraqi civilians.



And Now, its even coming out that the Israeli's WANT A fullscale mideastern war
Link to thread

Why are there reportes coming out from the world that Israeli's are eing arrested and detained for POSING as alqaeda?
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There was also reports in India that Israeli's had been arrested for posing as Alqaeda, I am still searching for taht report.

Its interesting to see whom VISITS this thread, as I said at the top its quite obvious on MANY sites and MANY threads on THIS Site what people support. But what people PUSH a little to hard is really what needs to be addressed.



[edit on 20-7-2005 by John bull 1]




posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 11:32 PM
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GlobalDisorder: Great thread keep up the good work mate. It's refreshing to see someone willing to DENYING THE REAL INGNORANCE.



commented on how Jewish members of the site made it policy NOT TO bump threads mentioning MOSSAD or Israeli involvment.


what a joke, Im going to make it SAND_MANS policy to BUMP any thread mentioning MOSSAD or Israel. I dont think poeple outside OZ know we love to figth for the underdog.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 11:38 PM
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Well, while your bumping, how about bump the original one started by GlobalDisorder and carried on between the two of you.

Question: why wasn't this information just added to your compilation in the original Ahh, its all about Israel?






seekerof



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 11:42 PM
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Mainly because it is on page 2 now......
I set a link back to the original...


People tend to stop looking at page 1 when there are MORE pages to read on the thread.

I am not double posting here, so i dont see a problem with it.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Mainly because it is on page 2 now......
I set a link back to the original...


Yes, that's right. Threads go on and on. Some to 20+ pages.

You can recomment on a thread and bring up the issue again or even examine new issues. Making a new thread is not needed.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 11:57 PM
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The Jews seem to be the cause of all the worlds problems I guess, no wait I thought it was Bush.......is Bush Isreali?

hmmm Jews are the most hated in the world and its things like this that feed it. I guess they owned Hitler, they started the 1948, 67 and 73 wars...

You really must look outside your box.

I personally do not particulary like the present government in Isreal, I think they are capitulating and the US is forcing the issue.

Their dealing with China REALLY piss me off also.

But lets keep one thing in mind, the majority of Jews in Isreal are secular....think about that.



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Things like this DEFINATELY feed it..
and for good reason

Hows this link for feeding it?
judicial-inc.biz...

Im not trying to FEED HATE towards Jewish people here..
Thats not my aim.
Im trying to feed the peices of a story which i find more credible than the current story being fed to the public.

Forgive me if it brings up feelings of disgust and anger towards the jewish people.

I am not recommenting on the previous thread.
Im simply adding NEW information to a part 2 of that thread.
Whast the use in putting in information on a thread not even on the front page.

I want this thread to get attention, to get responses because I believe there is a LOT more out there I havent covered that other people know A LOT about.

Im looking for a two sided discussion here.
I have laid my cards on the table, now i want the people who dont agree with me to put there cards on the table so we can nut this out.
Bceause personally, this thread and the previous thread are just adding up in credible stories against the MOSSAD and Israeli presence in our government.

Fair enough Israeli people are Secular..
Evernone in the world can be considered secular one way or another.

Was Iraqi people Secular?
No , they were a threat thats right...
To whom exactly?
The USA... pssht, I laugh to that comment.
To Israel?... now that seems pretty on the ball to me..
Just like Iran is a pretty damn decent threat to Israel..
And Hey look, it appears Iran is next in line for the great American/MOSSAD warm machine, how convenient.

Im not saying ISRAEL is the direct reason for all the bloodshed in the world.
Thast by far the truth.

But in terms of the most powerful nation on the planet, who is responsible for a large percentage of World Affairs, Israel seems to have a large percentage of the 'BRAINS' behind this superpower.

I think Michael Moore got it wrong in Farenheit911 when he said the Americans think of Sauidi BEFORE the American People.
The American Government thinks about Israel and MOSSAD, before it thinks about its own people.

For example, why after all this time is the Mexican border been left open?
Becuase the MOSSAD hawks in teh whitehosue KNOW they need a reasonable way of attacking the USA and making it look like it DIDNT come from within.



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 12:29 AM
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It cracks me up to think they still deny there secret nuclear program . Not to mention they illegally kidnapped Mordechai Vanunu in Italy for exspoing the program . Yet the US invades iraq on a hunch of having such weapons
. And poeple wonder why the US is hated. If you are going to act like the worlds big brother just be fair about the matter.



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 02:17 AM
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Some very interesting Links regarding Israel and IRAN...

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

Link 5

Link 6

[edit on 20-7-2005 by GlobalDisorder]



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 02:50 AM
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Look up a little company in Tel Aviv called Amdocs, well over 90% of US telecommunications are going through a single company based in Israel. Creepy Stuff.
After the London Bombings have a look at what the Mayor of London said..
www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1121796127415

[edit on 20-7-2005 by twitchy]



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 03:40 AM
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Under that carpet must be getting pretty full for Israel. More war crimes commited by Israel, does the UN not have a office in that region ?

[Note this link contains graphic images]

www.voicesofpalestine.org...



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 04:04 AM
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I have found, over and over again, on many other discussion boards that as soon as you mention the word "Jew", you are immediately branded anti-semitic. It's always much better to leave that word out and just use the term Israeli, don't give the nay-sayers and apologists any ammo.

For such a small country, they certainly do have a disproportionate amount of influence in American politics and domestic/foreign policy. There again, you only have to look at how many in congress accept money from the lobbyists, such as Aipac, to see that they are easily bought. Any politician who accepts money to represent a foreign government is no longer worthy of holding office. Here's a link to some older data on who's getting the money :
www.wrmea.com...



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 04:39 AM
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Jewish people are the most richiest and most powerful people of the planet.

If they wanna something they could get it.

Hitler hated jewish for a reason because there existance is to have power and money.

Ariel Sharon has a history in Bribery, Henry Kissiger have a history of secrets.

The jewish are controling people in another way. They try first to destroy the social staute because if that is dont its easy to manupilate people. That what they did to the whole world with there media



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by eazy_mas

Hitler hated jewish for a reason because there existance is to have power and money.



I have asked about Hitler reason before in the past and been totaly shot down. They must of been a reson for a guy to wanna try and wipe a race off the face of this earth no ?. I dont feel this anti-semitic wanting answers.



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 05:06 AM
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Hello?! Try reading Mein Kampf maybe?




seekerof



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 05:23 AM
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Seekerof: I get a feeling you are opposed to threads of this nature or maybe just a case of external pressure ?



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 05:37 AM
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I get the expressed feeling that you have not read Mein Kampf or else you would not be speculating on "why" Hitler felt as he did towards the Jews, Russians, etc.

My beef with this topic, is why there are TWO threads started when both are the same compilations, in general. No problem on that, cause it is being looked into.




seekerof



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 05:38 AM
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Oh yeah, we can never use enough Jew-bashing anti-Israel threads here...yeah... :shk:



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 05:52 AM
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No need for a whole new thread on this topic.

Please contribute to this existing discussion:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Sorry, Closing Thread.



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