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Banned Video Games: Why Did it Have to be MY State!?

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posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Djarums

Parents are annoyed that their children may encounter a sexual scene in a computer game that features people brutally murdering each other.

So decapitating people with chainsaws and throwing molotov cocktails at police cars is fun, but throw in a nude woman and we've crossed into a forbidden realm here.

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What sort of parent buys that game to begin with?? Merry Christmas Junior, good luck shooting everyone?





Well what sort of adult buys this sort of game to begin with? Is there really a difference?

Oh yeah I will not be trialed as a minor now when I start recreating the scenes in the game.

In my opinion television and movies are far worse than any video game created.

I have yet to play a game as violent as the evening news.





posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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I read an article today about how Grand Theft Auto San Andreas will now carry an "Adults Only" rating because of recently revealed sex content hidden in the game.

Yea, hidden as in, removed from the final release of the game, but code not removed.


I HATE that kind of thing. Is the Delete key that hard to reach?

And yes, that's very unreasonable...but think about it, isn't Adult Only just 19+? I'm not quite sure, though (to tell you the truth, I've never come across an Adult Only game in a store, although I have heard of some.)



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:42 PM
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Ya know, I have both GTA-ViceCity and GTA-SanAndreas. What really confuses me is the fact that these games are about the most violent games out there and have been for years (VC anyway), yet that's ok. Its only when they add a little sex that people complain.

Violence, a negitive activity that always produces negitive energy no matter what the context, is ok it seems, while sex, which can sometimes be a very positive thing and produces positive energy and intimacy, is not. That is absolutely backwards thinking.

Sex is beautiful. Violence is ugly.
Why is sex taboo while violence is glorified in our culture? It makes absolutly no sense at all.



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:43 PM
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As far as the GTA sex stuff goes, they probably left the code for that in there in case they decided at some point to re-release it as a more openly risque. Just change a couple of variables and recompile it. It is pretty stupid, although I think that the company themselves shouldn't take too much flak for it--they weren't the ones who decided to go out and come up with the mod for it. I mean, any really devoted modder could take the time to figure out how to make just about any game sport nude characters. Look at the sims for a good example of that.

I came across that particular PS2 mod a while ago looking for sites that might have info for programming for the Playstation (I swear that's why, although I'll admit that I tried to figure out how to get it set up...) You need special hardware to transfer it from your computer to your PS2 when you download it, it's not just something anyone with an internet connection and a copy of the game can do. Now, I don't know exactly how popular that hardware is--I've never seen it myself--nor how difficult the actual installation procedure is either.

As far as the PC version of it goes, it may be easier to setup than the PS2 version, but there's tons of more sexually explicit material out there that any kid with a P2P client and a fair knowledge of what to look for can get for free. There's actual video games--graphical now Oswald--that'll put anything but the real thing to shame.

So I've heard, anyways....



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:49 PM
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God, children ruin everything don't they?


Regardless of whether or not you find video games offensive, I have the right to play them. I'd I am SICK AND TIRED of people using children as an excuse for EVERYTHING. Whenever someone wants to ban on regulate something it's always "the poor children". It's freaking transparent.

Groingrinder (ironic name):
Saying that the game makes should be "banned from making, and marketing these games" has to be one of the most personally offensive things I've heard on ATS...and i've read alot of offensive things. It's just that it has to do with something near and dear to my heart.


After this crap games will never have the freedom they used to. Developers well never be able to creatively express themselves without worrying about some politician bitching about their game.

Notice there wasn't a huge fuss about GTA until they found out there was SEX in it. Simulated sex where the characters keep their clothes on. Splattering some old lady with a 18-wheeler and blowing off people's heads is just fine, but god forbid there be SEX. Because violence is natural and acceptable, but sex is dirty and no one ever does it, especially not teenagers.



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:53 PM
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As far as the GTA sex stuff goes, they probably left the code for that in there in case they decided at some point to re-release it as a more openly risque. Just change a couple of variables and recompile it.


Still...they could have copied and pasted into a text file and used it later...that's always what I do, anyway. And as far as the Sims mod goes, well, it's not that hard. You can do it in-game without a mod, even, with the debug cheat. You only have to change one variable to 0, and the censors are disabled. Nobody has complained about that. But there's nothing to see (from what I've heard, I'm not gross enough to try it!!!
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posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 04:09 PM
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You're right Shredded, there's countless ways they could've kept it out of the code. And it would've been better if they had taken it out--the graphics especially--to make room for more useful material. I personally prefer switching flags for recompiling new features into something, but to each their own--and this situation is something that I'll probably take into consideration if I'm ever in a situation where I have material I don't want included with a specific version.

As far as the Sims go, I got bored of them after the first couple of days playing it, way before any nude patches came out. However, I've seen many sites claiming to have some pretty decent patches. But people won't complain about the sims though--or whatever patches may come out for it--because no one is just dying to have a reason to get that game taken off the shelves. GTA already had a bad rap with the soccer mom demographic; this is just another thing to complain about for them.

On a side note, RockStar is releasing a game called Bully in Oct. 2005 (check it out in the games section here, screenshots available here). Should be interesting to see the reaction it gets. You play a 15 year old boy in a prep school, and as the name implies, you're not exactly a sweetheart. Little details out on the web, but the August 2005 EGM magazine has a write up on it.



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 04:28 PM
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I just found out from the official ESRB site, Adults Only is 19+, as compared to Mature, which is 17+. Basically, it won't matter at all since now everybody 17 and 18 can't buy it...but who cares? The parents were buying the games for their kids, mostly.



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 05:02 PM
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What is the big deal guys? Unless you are a 15 year old teenager and are POed that you can no longer buy it as YOUR PARENTS SAY NO.

You all are harping on bad parents, yet, all it does is stop Jr from going to Wally World and buying it on the sly. Does anyone remember being a teen?? How many of your wanted to hang out with your parents even if they wanted to hang out with YOU???

My kids are only 5, and I don't allow them to play on our computers as they are too expensive. I have my laptop that runs my work stuff and my Photoshop CS2(what a hog that program is!) My husband games, mostly in the winter when outdoor stuff is unpleasant. His Desktop is setup for gaming.

He does not play his shooting games(which are gory) until the kids are in bed. I wouldn't be pleased to have them see someone's brains leaking onto the virtual pavement nor would I be pleased for them to see a sex act. So, WE as adults don't expose them to it. Darn easy at FIVE

Restricted sales just help parents enforce the rules. Not all parents give in to their kids. My kids rarely ask for anything at the store and if they do, it is once and the answer is *usually* no.

The majority of parents are good parents. You just remember the bad ones. The good ones you pay no attention to



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 08:43 PM
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Restricted sales just help parents enforce the rules. Not all parents give in to their kids. My kids rarely ask for anything at the store and if they do, it is once and the answer is *usually* no.

The majority of parents are good parents. You just remember the bad ones. The good ones you pay no attention to


I beg to differ...I know several parents who would give their kids Doom 3 without even thinking...




You all are harping on bad parents, yet, all it does is stop Jr from going to Wally World and buying it on the sly


These rules are hardly ever enforced, unless it's an Ao game, which is rarely ever carried in stores. Most store employees don't care about those rules...



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 09:40 PM
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A friend of mine says that they were ordered to take the game of the shelves at Circuit City and Best Buy. I can understand Walmart *spits*, but why a computer store? Freaking Gamestop is taking off the shelves. GAMESTOP. That's right, a place that sells games only. What the hell is going on here? They're not even going to sell it online anymore.

I hope they dont' start looking at the older games. Ones that they've been selling for years. Because they sure won't like the content in those. Anyone who's played Fallout knows what I'm talking about...



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 11:30 PM
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Sex is beautiful. Violence is ugly. Why is sex taboo while violence is glorified in our culture? It makes absolutly no sense at all.



I believe that sex is very much glamorized these days.
Just take a look at how many adult stores or strip clubs a large city has. Magazines, newspapers (a local Sun newspaper here has a daily SunShine Girl, and a yearly SunShine Girl Calendar), music videos, many commercials, and almost every single televion show(excluding young children's programs) has some indirect, or direct, suggestion of sexual content.


But whats the point of banning the game?
How many billions of copies have already been sold?
What about the all-ready owners of this game, once oblivious to this "distastefulness" are going to try any means necessary just to see it, now that they know it is there?

It would be more reasonable to just re-release the game with the objectional code taken out.



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 11:38 PM
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What's the point of banning a video game? NONE! Unless some a-hole in state government has his pink manties in a bunch.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 02:29 AM
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and the rest of the world thinks Americans are crazy

We don't complain much about a video game where you can go steal a car with someone in it, kill them or throw them out, kill police officers and others in the game and do other illegal activities I believe but when someone figures out a way to download some code off the internet to reveal some nudity, oh no it must be banned. Have I got news for parents in America, if the kids can so easily download information off the net, they already may have access to nudity.

I personally believe a video game that allows carjacking, killing police officers etc. is much worse than seeing a naked person but I must not be a normal American apparently.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 02:41 AM
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Now, I am no kid at age 35, but I do admit this is probably the worst game, in terms of content I have ever played. I don't believe VC was this "raw" in terms of language. I think that was more of an eye opener than the actually gangs, or killing, car jacking all those other negative events society frowns upon.

But it is JUST a video game, right? You tell me kids these days don't find content on the Internet that is even more raw than an animated video game? Gangsta rap has quite a negative message. You tell me kids can't find porn in the mear click of a few links? Television and the movies seem to focus on death, destruction and killing. So I ask, what makes this game so bad?

Dropping the 'AO' rating won't prevent kids from purchasing this if underage.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 02:50 AM
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I think video games should be banned all together. IMO They are stupid and a waste of time and brain. Sure you get to "live" out your craziest fantasies but you are actually not doing anything. And alot of people take them way to seriously.


Urn

posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
They're not banning the games, they're just restricting the sales to adults. So if the parents want to buy the video games for their children, they can...so this does leave it up the parents, doesn't it?


umm...i don't know about the U.S., but here in canada we have ESRB ratings...(they DO have ESRB rating in the states right?)

soooo...since ESRB ratings already restirict the sales of certain games to adults only, is there some reason to restrict the sales...again??? i'm pretty sure that i don't understand....in fact, i'm DAMN sure that i don't understand...

what about friggin movies?? how many children have seen flicks that are "R" rated, or even worse "XXX" rated (what with the internet and all)....as far as i'm concerned, video games are the LEAST of our concerns...

and i must agree with the majority of posters, in that, it's the stupid, lazy, down right retardedly irresponsable parents who are at fault here...


Originally posted by ShreddedIce
but think about it, isn't Adult Only just 19+? I'm not quite sure, though (to tell you the truth, I've never come across an Adult Only game in a store, although I have heard of some.)


well, every game that hits the retail market has an ESRB rating, which means that ANY game you have seen in a retail store blatantly states weather or not it apropriate for children or "adults only"...its right there on the front of the box for all to see (weather or not that particular store enforces the rating is a different matter of course)...



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 10:23 AM
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I know parents who give their kids coke at every meal. Or let them eat crap all day long. Doesn't make it OK just because some do it. The *majority* of parents are decent parents. You will find excellent parents, scumbag parent and then those that are mediocre

If you look back at your childhood, there is something your parents did to scar you for life. Doesn't mean they were bad parents, they may have just made a bad decision or been in the heat of the moment, or did the best they could

I do not play video games. I don't care to ever play video games. I am glad for the ratings as at least then I have a benchmark as to what might be appropriate for my kids. I truly cannot stand playing them so sitting down and playing video games is not something I will do. I will play tag, hide and seek, read books to them/with them ect; and so on.

I can't see how the rating system makes me an irresponsible or univolved parent. I do like to instill some independence in my children and don't want to watch over their shoulder for the next 13 years. (I am not saying they are on their own though!!!!)

If your parents say the game is ok, they buy it for you. If you are 35, what is the BFD?? Go to the store and buy it. If Gamestop doesn't stock it, order it online. You can get *anything* *somewhere* online



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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I think because these stuff usually effects the whole.

one case was GTA3-San Anderas where a boy stole a policecar and shot a policeman. (search it in yahoo news)

I dont mind when somebody kids plays Doom3 or GTA or any other game but when it comes to hurting sociotiy and propties an action must be take other that.



posted on Jul, 22 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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I can't--and won't--speak for the other members posting to this thread. But for me personally I find it a blatant waste of government time and resources that could be better spent on developing better education or community reform projects. How much time and money was wasted because of this? How much public air time did this get that could've been spent on anti-drug or anti-sex community service messages directed at kids? Instead of raising hell about a video game, why didn't these parents get together with half the vehemence to get better funding for their neighborhood law enforcement or to build a neighborhood watch?

If these "concerned" parents took the energy they put into making this fuss and directed it at teaching--and learning from--their kids, there would be no need for this, and both they and their kids would've been better off for it. Instead, they expect everyone else to enforce their own rules.

They did this so a kid wouldn't sneak around and buy the game themselves, so they need a parent (or any adult) to get it for them. If the parent is doing their job, the kid shouldn't have a need to sneak around. The kid should either know that getting such a game is not worth their time and/or something their parents would consider bad, or they should have earned enough trust from their parents for the parents to allow them to make the purchase on their own with the knowledge the kid can handle it.

Now it's broken down into two possibilities. One, the kid approaches their parent to buy the game and the parent does. Great--family trust, bonding, happy times. Second scenario, either the parent won't let the kid get it or the kid is afraid to ask their parent. They enlist outside assistance, parent finds out, kid gets in trouble and the parents loose trust. This latter scenario will probably be the most frequently occuring, and it's entirely due to a lack of communication and respect on both parties.

Sure, you can buy anything over the internet at anytime. But given that I, as a quasi-responsible adult, can purchase anything, so can your 14 year old kid with your credit card. And as a few posters mentioned, you don't need to be more than a little internet savvy in order to find lots of free pornography on the internet. You can set up all the family-filters you want; with a little searching and experimentation, it doesn't take much to figure out how to bypass any of them.

All that I'm saying is that the burden of raising the kids, of teaching them what is right and what is wrong, should be on the shoulders of the parents. Not a rating board, not a store, not the government. You had the kid, either planned or otherwise, so it's your responsibility to know what they do, who they do it with, and why they do it. Not Walmart's, not Rockstar Games, just you.




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