well, for me, that is a separate question entirely. I was thinking in terms of perceptions, rather than ultimate truths.
I understood that which is why I asked you what I did.
You should know that I believe it is a mistake to try and "reach conclusions" when it comes to fringe phenomena. When folks reach conclusions, they
begin excluding data which doesn't fit their model.
That can happen, but if like yourself you are aware of the possibility then it can be avoided. And that process is not completely wrong, if I know
for certain that A,B & C are correct and part of the answer, then when D comes along you have something to judge with. The interesting thing about
truth is that it tends to fit with other truths. So if you are on the right track then the answers you find make sense in context without any amazing
I do think it is necessary to reach conclusions because there are always more layers of mystery waiting. If you do not come to a firm understanding of
the outer layers how can you ever hope to reach deeper. Of course many people do not care about this sort of intellectual quest but it is very much a
part of me.
An example is the JFK assasination. When you listen to anyone rant on that topic, it is best to start with their conclusions, since that tells you
what they plan to leave out.
I agree that many people think this way, but it is just lazy more than anything else. If you study properly you look at all the evidence and make
judgements along the way. For example I am quite well-versed in the JFK murder. I do not ignore the possibility of an 'Oswald switch' I have simply
judged the idea incorrect. The evidence is flimsy and based on a lot of perceptions that could just be simple mistakes.
What does seem possible is that in a couple of cases someone used Oswald's name and identity.
When Oswald returned from the USSR he did not get a security clearance, and he did not work on U2 photos. He worked at a place which did a minor
amount of classified work, none of which he was ever involved in. So with a minor amount of study this seems like a screaming warning of something
sneaky, but upon real study it is revealed as nothing of importance.
I do not believe we know the full truth about Oswald and what happened that day back in November. But like UFOs there is a great mass of 'evidence'
which must be discarded if one is to reach any sort of valid judgement.
I have revisited the famous equations (so often quoted on ATS) computed by Sagan and Drake in the 1960's. Since their original work, we have learned
from the Hubble telescope that planets with sustainable hydrocarbon environments are much rarer than Sagan originally guessed. And by a hundred orders
To that I would say first, we only know the slightest fraction about our own Galaxy, and we only know about 1 form of life. So if your only interest
is in 'human life similar to ourselves' then ok but there are many other possibilities. And second, there are other aspects of the equations that
rely on massive guessing. We have one sample, on example, Earth and humans, and in a Universe of 100 Billion+ Galaxies, one sample is nothing
These equations are impressive in concept, and a important step along the route to understanding the Universe. With perhaps what might turn out to be
the smallest contribtution to what we know the Hubble has been used to estimate 125 Billion Galaxies. Add a few more sensor types to the mix and that
number starts to multiply.
Many people like to point to the small side of the scale, but if you play with the numbers a bit you can also find the other end. I have plugged
various numbers into it and gotten some massive results. To inject a little 'common wisdom' I would imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle,
but when one end is 1 and the other is Millions, the middle is a pretty large number.
But I have never seen evidence of extra-terrestrial craft. Indeed, the reports I have read and experienced point to ATMOSPHERIC craft with no
deep-space capabilities whatsoever.
OK I would have to hear some of your reasoning on this point. I do not see, even a little, what could be the basis for that thought but I am
interested to hear what you have to say. What you have experienced personally is of course going to figure in and I am sorry to say I do not know more
of your personal story.
And on the same note you ended on: I have always factored a fair percentage of abduction stories as being our perceptions of 'leaving this life'.
Not saying that people are not Taken, but just that some events are based on things other than Alien Science.