I'm bumping this for a few reasons.
#1 - It's an important topic and needs to get back on track.
#2 - It's one of the few places where I can wholeheartedly agree with someone with which I share virtually no common ground (which is always nice)
and get to actually defend Christianity (which is a pleasure) as opposed to merely beating back the misguided Crusaders that would do it harm.
And #3 - The direction of some of the other 'debates' I've observed desperately require this context going forward.
Two prior positions for review (at least in some part in agreement).
Originally posted by jake1997
I've seen it mentioned by darwinists. They dont like it.
Most christians I talk to think I.D. is just a fancy way of saying creationism.
Originally posted by RANT
I don't believe in creationism, and certainly not young earth creationism, as I'm not self centered enough to think reality is a matrix built merely
to deceive me. But there's no point in arguing with those that do. That's a position with at least integrity (assuming they've done the alternative
research and made the decision for themselves). But ID is hardly a position at all. It's a contrived response to evolution theory not adequately
either quite scientific or religious. What's the point in watering down both? There's no upside or point whatsoever. It's a cult of it's own
creation. And it's every bit as much anti-Christian as it is anti-Scientific.
To expand on that and an observable phenomenon taking place all over this forum, look for these two arguments
to come up time and again from
the very same crusaders using ID and Creationism interchangeably (much like they do the word of God or "Dr" Kent Hovind).
A) - But evolution is just
similar to my own.
b) - But evolution is a just
similar to my own.
Which is it?
Religions aren't theories.
At least they aren't supposed to be to those of actual faith.
And I'm fundamentally disturbed by those claiming to be of the Christian faith that are so determined to argue a point or sell a video or wedge their
way into science class as to willingly render their professed Religion just
This is not a competition. And those supposedly of faith
seeking to win at any cost are, in my opinion, paying dearly. Science will carry on
regardless. Will pure faith survive it's own activism?
I'm telling you, all the offshoots and incarnations of this Brand X Activism
doing a thing but polluting Christianity. And once politics has bastardized Christianity into little more than a failed political party and the latest
"Christian-Science" movement is done rendering faith little more than a pale pseudo science forever doomed to come in second in a head to head
comparison of it's own misguided framing, then what?
Re-invent Christianity again to compete with the secular world some more? Who exactly do you think "wins" when you do that? Who? Oh I don't know.
Let me think here. Could it be.... Satan?
[edit on 12-8-2005 by RANT]