Originally posted by jake1997
I've seen it mentioned by darwinists. They dont like it.
Most christians I talk to think I.D. is just a fancy way of saying creationism.
Creationism takes the book of Genesis at face value. God said he did it in 6 days, He confirmed it again in Exodus in the 10 commandments, and
thats what he meant.
There are actually some variations of Old Earth Creationism that disgree with this, stating that the 6 days were not necessarily 24-hour periods, and
that, while god created everything, he did it millions of years ago and over a longer span.
. When you get away form the literal word of God, you have a million interpretations that are relative to individual beliefs.
The "Literal" reading is
an interpretation tho.
ID says that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It says that God created the first 'single cell life form' and that life evolved from that
point on. After that point, you walk the many interweaved theories that make up evolution and then come back to the bible circa 2,000 BC.
ID advocates don't state that god was only invovled at the origin of life, they state that god has also intervened at points throughout the evolution
of organisms, and directed the creation of things that, according to them anyway, are immpossible (the usual example is the bacterial flagella). Its
part of a programme that attempts to identify and detect design
. The idea is that if god made the universe, forget the bible, nature itself
will demonstrate this be exhibiting features that can only be explained by direct, intelligent, sentient, fore-thinking and design. So, theoretically
anyway, Young Earth Creationism and ID work together, ID is saying 'we're a science, not biblical interpretation, and we can scientifically prove
that god exists via the demonstration of design", whereas YECism is saying 'and genesis is the full story'. Of course, the people that actually
advocate for ID apparently beleive that organisms evolve, and that they can even evolve totally new traits, and that even that man has evolved from
Those verses are just two of many that point out that death entered the world through sin
Adam and Eve ate, eating is killing, therefore death existed before sin. With life, there is death, there's cells lining the gut that are constantly
slaking off and dying, the process by which skin is keratinized causes cells to die, indeed, the very process of development involved the creation of
new cells, and then the programmed death of many of them, especially the processes in the brain. You cannot have life without death.
If Genesis is a lie
Evolution, nor ID, nor Old Earth Creationism, does not state that genesis is a lie. Jesus told parables, we don't necessarily have to beleive that
they literally happened. A samaritan didn't have to literally help out a hurt man on the road in order for the moral of the story to be true.
Indeed, the story is more meaningful as a story, because the samaritan is chosen because samaritans are ostracized from the mainstream jewish
community. In that way the story is showing the rich, the self-reighteous, the contemptuous, all passing along the hurt man, and who helps him but a
wretch of all wretches, a dirty samaritan. The parable, in fact, isn't meaningful at all when taken literally, as an actual event. But taken as a
parable and a story, we can talk about how Christ is the hurt man on teh side of the road, and all of us are the ones who pass him by, or that christ
is the samaritan, and we're the one hurt and forsaken by others, and even that the 'others' are the vaguries and tribulations of the world, not
literally a rich man, a mugger, etc etc. In the same way, genesis is like a parable that jesus told everyone about. It would be useless for god to
recount a series of chemistry equations and geological conditions to impart morality to man. The actual scientific events are utterly irrelevant,
because its a religious text with religious implications and intentions, there's no reason at all to think that its supposed to be an account as if
it were written by a journalist on the scene.
When you comprimise one part of Gods Word, the rest will fall apart as well.
Thats a good reason to reject any kind of creationism, Yecism, Oecism, or IDism. Because its comprimising the bible, its stating that god is just
some 'thing' out there in the natural universe, something that was created, just created before the 'big bang' and superior to it because of a
technicality, and it forces very weak faithed christians to come up with things and add
them to the bible, like 'vapour-canopies' and the
like. Its mucking with the biblical text and reducing god to mere experiment, that can be supported by naturalistic evidence. Its actually a real
perversion of faith to reduce it to a crude logic-of-man methodology.