Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Now let's take a look at J-10, first flight in 1998, flight test finished in 2003, with 5 years 1700 test flights,
yeah any source for that ? how do you expect the chinese state controlled media that has'nt even released the dimensions of the J-10 to give out the
number of testing hours its got ????
and its first flight was actually in 1996
The first "official" flight took place on March 28, 1998, and was largely successful. However, the
first actual flight of the J-10 might
have taken place two years earlier - in mid-1996 - but suffered from an engine malfunction with unknown consequences.
In late 1997 the second
flying J-10 "1002" prototype was lost in a crash which also killed the chief test pilot.At least 20 engineers from Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) were part of the fighter's design team at Chengdu.
IAI also helped with windtunnel testing in the early design stage.
David Lari, director general of Israel's Ministry of Defense, acknowledged in an Associated Press interview that "some technology on
aircraft" had been sold to China and that some Israeli companies may not have "clean hands".
The J-10's radar and fire-control system is the chinese version of the Israeli-made ELM-2021 system, which can simultaneously track six air targets
and lock on to the four most threatening targets for destruction.
the US Office of Naval Intelligence in its unclassified "Worldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfare" restated more strongly than it had the
previous year its belief that technology from the canceled Israeli Lavi fighter was being used on China's new J-10 fighter. It said, "The design
has been undertaken with substantial direct external assistance, primarily from Israel and Russia
In fact, according to the annual intelligence report, "the J-10 is a single-seat, light multi-role fighter based heavily on the canceled Israeli Lavi
program".
link
Russian involvement in the J-10 program was not limited to the AI-31FN turbojet engine, but also included advanced multifunction radars,
navigation and targeting systems, ECM suite, and missile warning and defense systems.
link
and about the WS-10A which was not even purchased; it was rejected and the Russian engines were purchased :
www.mosnews.com...
Russian arms industry sources have disclosed that China is close to mastering the complex skills required to build(reverse engineer) the the Al-31
engine
on page 7 of this pdf (in the chinese copying section) >>
www.sipri.org...
Russia reportedly had denied China the license to produce the engine locally. As the result, an indigenous engine WS-10A (came up)
mil.jschina.com.cn...
The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the
AL-31FN.
www.sinodefence.com...
and its missliles :
The famed PL-12 or SD-10
The PL-12 was said to be derived from the Italian Aspide technology and integrated with active radar-homing seeker technology obtained from Russia.
The missile was developed indigenously, but also with helps from foreign manufacturers. Several Russian missile and subsystem developers are
reportedly supporting the program, with much of the missile utilizing components from the R-77 (AA-12 Adder).
In 1996 China revealed an active radar-homing seeker AMR-1, which is possibly based on Russian technology. Claimed to be developed for the new
generation active radar-homing MRAAM, the AMR-1 seeker or its developed variant could be used to guide the SD-10.
www.sinodefence.com...
PL-11
Chinese copy of Italian Alenia's Aspide missile (which inturn was derived from the U.S. AIM-7E Sparrow) that it got in the late 1980s
www.sinodefence.com...
PL-9
Apart from its control surfaces the PL-9 is almost identical to the Israeli Python-3, which was developed from the AIM-9L. The one major difference,
according to information in Jane's All the World's Aircraft, is that the PL-9 has only about one-third the range of the Python 3.
China has improved upon the PL-9 by marrying it to an apparent copy of the Arsenel helmet sight from the R-73.
www.sinodefence.com...
PL-8
The PL-8 infrared homing short-range air-to-air missile is a Chinese copy of the Israeli Python-3.
www.sinodefence.com...
The PL-4
The PL-4 is a Chinese copy of the U.S. AIM-7B Sparrow. (from Pak ?)
www.sinodefence.com...
Its other missiles : R-73, R-77, R-27 - These are Russian missiles.
and its development was like torture(despite being based on the LAVI with most of Russian or Israeli) as claimed by links :
The development of J-10 has proven to be tortuous.
The prototype was rumored to have first flown in 1996, but the project suffered a serious setback in late 1997 when the 02 prototype lost control and
crashed, as the result of certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine.
www.air-attack.com...
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The development of J-10 has proven to be tortuous.
The first prototype was set to fly between 1995-96, powered by a newly designed WS-10 turbofan. However the development of this indigenous engine
suffered some serious difficulties and thus the rear fuselage and engine intake were forced to be redesigned in order to accommodate an alternative
AL-31FN engine imported from Russia. As the result, the first prototype (01) made its maiden flight on March 23, 1998, two years behind the schedule.
The project suffered another setback between 1998-99 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, caused by certain system failure, presumably with
either the FBW system or the engine.
mil.jschina.com.cn...
and ever heard of the J-10's acute production problems ???
It was a project that started in
1984 and is based mostly on the Lavi with a Russian engiene and Israeli tech. Israelis and Russians worked on
it too.
it was
1984 and not '88 as you claimed; go check it up in this chinese link >>
mil.jschina.com.cn...
and the FC-1 the less the said the better : Russian design, Russian engine, worked on by Russian engineers Italian radar and aveonics, plagerized
missiles....and if you dont believe me check it out :
www.abovetopsecret.com...&singlepost=1548690 &
www.abovetopsecret.com...&singlepost=1551360 &
www.abovetopsecret.com...&singlepost=1551754
LCA test flight, LCA still need another 13 years to finish it test flights (if Kaveri will be there... ), then we are looking at year 2018 by
which at that time the LCA will be similar to the MiG-21 now.
Dream on.......heck why 2018 ...you could have as well said 2118.
and 430 hours testing in 4 years does not mean 100 a year
There was hardly any flights testing in the first 2.5 years and the flight testing have
skyrocketed in the next 1.5 years.
and read this :
The
air force will place an order for 20 Light Combat Aircraft powered by the GE404-F engines and manufactured by
India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., air force chief S.P. Tyagi said on the sidelines of an air show in southern Bangalore
city.
:105259193&num=10
and this is in addition to
The Indian Air Force (IAF)
confirmed an order for 40 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited
(HAL).
Replying to a question, he said the decision of the Air Force to go in for 126 multi role fighters in the 20 tonne class had nothing to do with the
delay in the induction of LCA. "We needed different aircraft in the airforce fleet. Don't mix up purchase of 126 aircraft with the LCA" he
added
....surely was no secret that this would turn out to be a flame
war.
I rest my case here; i will not participate in such a discussion where ignorance is the basis of posting. I will read daedalus's signature and get
out of this thread...and if anyone is interested here's
LCA may get Kaveri engine
by 2006 end
Go ahead guys post all you want...on this plagerized thread...yeah yeah go ahead and say the LCA will never enter production and will be
cancelled...and it was a copy of a 1950 F-102 ....and what not
i wont participate in this plagerised thread and debunk ingorance and get into a flame war and get myself banned.If anyone wants to know why, read
Daedalus's signature.
Stealth Spy out
[edit on 17-7-2005 by Stealth Spy]
