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Well, here it comes NWO through ID Cards

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posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 03:37 PM
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Geez, they don't care about making it bloody obvious anymore do they, terrorists bombing in London and then Straight away ""ID CARD!! ID CARD, ID CARDS FOR EVERYONE!!""
First Tony Blair, and now, yesterday afternoon John Howard,news.google.com.au... and lets not forget the good ol' boy himself..
funny thing tho, they tried to implement the "Australia Card" 20 odd years ago under everybodies great mate Bobby Hawke and it was unsuccessful then, lets just hope (pray) the international public sees these cards for what they are ...
I won't be one of the peeps going "how did this happen?!?" if it happens in my lifetime...why not? because it will only happen if we LET it happen.




posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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ID cards are being brought in anyway, this was already happening before 7/7 and at the end of the day if the government decides something, like they have, it happens.

Loads of people protested against banning hunting, but it was still banned.

Loads of people protested against banning handguns (apart from mums at home taking part in phone-ins during the day - not biased there) - they were still banned

There were blockades against the rise in fuel prices, it has risen and no-one can be bothered to do anything apart from whine.

In 3 days it will be illegal to grow or possess naturally growing mushrooms and truffels that contain hallucengenic chemicals, even though they grow in fields and forests all over the county (they were sly with that one, not many people know that).

They make laws all the time and people whinge but there is nothing you can really do.

They don't need to bomb our own country and the idea is ridiculous, ID cards were coming in wherever we like it or not, now they just have a better excuse but they didn't need it.

Anyway, I thought they used mind control waves using the new TETRA system and sprayed us with 'chemtrails'.... So if they are doing that why do they need to stage terror attacks? (And that goes for you guys across the lake too).. So many conspiracies, so little sense...

Oh and your link doesn't work, sorry.


[edit on 15-7-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:19 PM
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ermmm...they didnt.

Charles Clarke said ID cards wouldnt of prevented anything



posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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Free IDs for anyone willing to pay...

Belgium has lost 10,000 passports in the last 5 years at lease one ofthem turned up in Paris with a passenger tat had a shoe Bomb...

This fact alone should scare anyone...
Now there is the RFID chip and all the information on it...they want to put in the Passort/ID if this happens terrorists and criminals will be able to scan people as they walk by and detrmine what nationality etc...

This is truly a Bad Idea Id cards can and will always be faked and Radio chips will always be surveiled.



posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:25 PM
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You ought to read my post on RFID technology and do some research in 13.56 contactless smartcard technology, which is what they will use.
Checkout ISO14446 I think it is.. You will see that there is no reason for them to be able to do that as it is very secure (or it can be), I found out as I too was concerned about possible security flaws. You also have to be within a few centimetres for it to operate.

The only main worries are if reading equipment is stolen or information leaked regarding encryptions, etc.

No-one has (or at least the info is not available like in the old analog days) been able to hack Sky cards, and the passports will be stronger than them.

[edit on 15-7-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 04:02 AM
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I had a feeling that this latest attack would be used to bring out those ID cards.



Charles Clarke said ID cards wouldnt of prevented anything


I know, this all furthers my suspicion towards them.



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 04:42 AM
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But it's not being used to bring in ID cards, they were voted in a few weeks ago, we already knew we were getting them. Do people only hear what they want to or something? If they had voted them in now instead and only started going on about them since the attacks I could understand, but they have been going on about them again for a month or two at least and speaking to people on the street everyone's pretty much accepted it and assumed we are having them anyway.



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by Spica
Geez, they don't care about making it bloody obvious anymore do they, terrorists bombing in London and then Straight away ""ID CARD!! ID CARD, ID CARDS FOR EVERYONE!!""
First Tony Blair, and now, yesterday afternoon John Howard,[url=link]http://news.google.com.au/news?


I wondered how long it would take for this old chestnut to surface. Well I didn't have to wait long. ID cards will not prevent terrorism but it does appear that most people can not see this if the poll on Fox News was any indication today. The majority of people who responded voted in favour.


Very frightening...



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by Spica
funny thing tho, they tried to implement the "Australia Card" 20 odd years ago under everybodies great mate Bobby Hawke and it was unsuccessful then, lets just hope (pray) the international public sees these cards for what they are ...
I won't be one of the peeps going "how did this happen?!?" if it happens in my lifetime...why not? because it will only happen if we LET it happen.

How does a population not 'let' something happen if they've been conditioned to think it happening is for their own good?
Myself, I will refuse one on princible [If I am able] ..it's highly suspicious to me as most rational people realise it would not prevent terrorism. Victorians are already being 'preened' for one anyway with the introduction of a 'debit' card for public transport in a couple of years.. every movement is tracked. Now.. I understand the idea behind tracking would be suicide bombers.. but it could only be 'after the fact' as they are always sleeper agents and good citezens before they are 'activated'.



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 07:00 AM
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Question: what happens when you don't have this ID card with you? Are you fined? Arrested?



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by JBurns
Question: what happens when you don't have this ID card with you? Are you fined? Arrested?


Not sure, but that is something i would also like to know. I am going to refuse it point blank! However, i feel it will start worming its way into our everyday lives more and more in the years to come, until it becomes more or less needed.



posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by JBurns
Question: what happens when you don't have this ID card with you? Are you fined? Arrested?


I think what you would find is that in the early stages if you didn't have an ID card you would be denied access to basic things such medicare, passports, opening bank accounts etc.

Should this come to pass it would be interesting to test 'forced' compliance under current privacy laws etc. That said, if to not hold a card meant that you couldn't open up a bank account or obtain a passport as an example how many people would just give in wonder.

This will indeed be an interesting process to watch.



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 03:49 PM
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I dont understand why people, in an increasingly dangerous world, are so opposed to such a tiny breach of their personal space.

Can somebody explain fully? Im simply intrigued



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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when people are afraid of another terrorist attacki theyll do what the government recommends, in this case its !!!!!ITS ID CARDS!!!!!!

Annnnnnnd then they get the news channels to get some douchbag proffesser head to say (in a posh enghlish accent) theyrr good and theyll be rather ravoglly helpfull in the future(and then he gets paid his 2 million euro) (its just like a dog when its frightened it just rolls over on its back) and then in 5 years time people will be wanting to get rid of them but by that time it will a european union law and no country will be able to get rid of them unless they get a peacefull dictator to get rid of them non voilently and then they go in and take that country over and the cycle starts over again


it really anoyes me


[edit on 17-7-2005 by elliott reid]



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 04:13 PM
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I've read somewhere online that if you do not have an ID card in the UK when law you will be fined £2500 and if you move or any information changes and do not notify the authorities £1000 fine.



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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this may sound ridiculuos.. But I don't see what's all the fuss, about I.D cards, anyway, they are going to come... And besides some of the very countries, labelled as 3rd world countries... Have these cards iin exsistence for years. No harm doing. You can use it for anything, except purchase items, with them lol.. I mean how ridiculous, can our fears take us?



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 06:34 PM
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ID cards are coming for many countries regardless of the state of affairs. People are funny about this just like they were when ATM and debit cards came out like "oh my, people will have way too much info on me". Well, hate to burst any bubbles but first, this has nothing to do with a NWO (as there is no such thing) and if you are worried about what your gov't knows about you, guess what, they already know with or without a ID. Lets face it, the average hacker can get more information about you as well. Your idenitity lost all protection many years ago.



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by GeniusSage
I dont understand why people, in an increasingly dangerous world, are so opposed to such a tiny breach of their personal space.

Can somebody explain fully? Im simply intrigued



In regards to Australia's Prime Minister talking more and more actively about ID Cards, a member of his own party is starting to voice concern.
[Note: Australia's 'Liberals' are our conservative party, the reverse of US politics]

PM facing internal conflict over ID card

...But already he is facing opposition from his own backbench, with Liberal MP for the Queensland seat of Moncrieff, Steven Ciobo, believing it could be dangerous.

"In the context of the national debate I'd certainly stand opposed to the introduction of a national ID card," Mr Ciobo told ABC radio.

"The notion that in some way the introduction of mass population finger printing, the introduction of a centralisation of personal and private data by a government agency concerns me significantly.

"I certainly understand the need to remain resolute against terrorism but it would seem to me that that is far best achieved by enabling our intelligence agencies to have the funding they need and to have access to equipment etc that they need without necessarily putting firmly and squarely in the centre of future temptations for different governments, as well as bureaucrats, one central collection data base on every individual Australian containing private and personal information that quite frankly would be subject to significant abuse."

news.ninemsn.com.au...



posted on Jul, 17 2005 @ 09:55 PM
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What's wrong with them? They are basically giving the government (assuming they eventually integrate them fully, into everyday-life) a centralized method to track civilians. IE: You walk through a store security scanner (anti-theft system), it picks up on your ID card, and stores your last known location. I know that may be a little bit far-fetched, but it's not impossible.



posted on Jul, 18 2005 @ 03:01 AM
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I dont see why they are such a bad IDEA..
In todays technological world, its not really far from reality any ways.

How many of u Use Credit cards, mobile phones ATM Cards, membership cards, and so forth???

ITs not like they CANT track you everywhere now anyways.

And who really cares if the gvt knows u go into the porn shop n buy magazines every friday?

I think a national ID Card is the best solution for this terrorist threat.
IT will remove Illegial Aliens, Terrorists and really crack down on the bad eggs in society.

Why exactly is everyone opposed to it?




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