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Originally posted by Daedalus3
Then its not based on the SA-6..
Originally posted by chinawhite
Because it doesn't say copy doesn't mean it isn't
You can clearly see both missles are nearly indentical.
According to an Indian military official, the Akash missile is based on the Russian SA-6 air defense missile and it could be modified to intercept short-range missiles such as Pakistan’s Hatf-1. The Akash missile is also expected to be integrated with the Russian S-300V anti-missile system. Originally, the Akash missile was scheduled to begin user trials in 2003. However, the imposition of US sanctions following the nuclear tests in May 1998 delayed the project since critical technologies such as guidance systems became available only after the removed the sanctions in 2001.
—“Akash Successfully Test Fired,” Press Trust of India, 2 June 2003, Nationwide International News; in Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe, 2 June 2003, ; Bulbul Singh, “India’s Akash Missile Nearing User Trials,” Aerospace Daily, 3 June 2003, Vol. 206, No. 45, News, p. 6; in Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe, 6 June 2003, .
The Indiak Akash is a modern missile system based heavily on the SA-6 missile but with a new phased-array radar, different vehicles and other improvments.
The missile is based heavily on the SA-6 and is claimed that Rajendra is similar to the 30N6 Flap-Lid B engagement radar, used by the S-300 ATBM system.
Why would India reject the PAC-3, S-400, Arrow-2 etc that were offered with tech transfer to India by their respective makers and use the a 1950's SA-6 copy instead ?
Originally posted by urmomma158
i dont see how it can be better than the patriot sure its more mobile but still based on the Sa 6 sure its better but its rader is a copy of the S 300 and remeber the aptriot has a better range which will be over 190 miles thanks to the missile upgrade and plus the patriot will be replaced by meads amking it more transportable
missile upgrade www.lockheedmartin.com...
orignal missile range www.lockheedmartin.com... if its not inthere just to tel you its 125 miles
meads radar www.lockheedmartin.com...
and the best interceptor of all THAAD www.lockheedmartin.com...
www.army-technology.com... radar info also in this one
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Citing an announcement by defense officials at a press conference, India’s The Statesman reports that India could establish an air and missile defense shield for a 200 square kilometer area within five or six years, quoting defense scientists said. Such a system could reportedly be duplicated to protect “big cities and strategic facilities like nuclear reactors and space launching sites against incoming missiles.” The interceptor is said to be a surface-to-air missile with a range of 80-85 km, and another interceptor with a range of about 20 km. The Akash SAM is mentioned as a possible interceptor for such a system; “Meanwhile, the Akash will have some anti-missile system capabilities.”
As for the radars for such a system, Mr M. Natarajan, DRDO chief and scientific advisor to the defense minister, said they might include a phased-array radar placed on an executive jet, such as the Brazilian Embrear. India has already purchased from Israel the Phalcon aircraft-mounted radar system
India not impressed with the PAC-3 that it was offered
India is not impressed with the PAC-3 missile unit offered with the two-tier US anti-missile defence system, on the grounds that it is slow for the very low reaction period in the sub-continent, and therefore, the Pentagon will demonstrate more advanced technologies when defence minister Pranab Mukherjee visits the country.
Besides more advanced units than PAC-3, the US is offering mid-air jamming systems
India to outpace the rest of Asia in development and deployment of missiles and missile shields
India plans to outpace Asia and may be rest of the world in missile research and missile shield development and deployment. According to media sources in India, India will invest about Rs. 12,000 crore in the next eight years to produce world-class missiles. According to Prahlada, Director, Hyderabad-based Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), besides this investment, which will go to industry, another Rs. 1000, crore will be spent on maintaining the missiles and upgrading their technology.
India’s strategic interest is in having a defense alliance with United States to protect India with a missile defense umbrella or shield. The strategic missile defense is considered by Indian defense establishments are most critical. The recent US-India ten-year defense alliance will help India to achieve its goal. India and the United States will sign an Overall Umbrella agreement on Science and Technology during the forthcoming US visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. This will further enhance the possibilities of achieving the Indian goals.
India rules out accepting US missile defence system
India on Tuesday ruled out accepting a missile defence system from the United States.
"There is no question of accepting (a) missile shield from anyone," Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told a news conference in reply to a question.
"What we are interested in is developing our own missile programme and we are doing that."
The United States said last June that it was willing to talk to India about supplying missile defence systems.
"We are willing to talk to India about missile defence. Missile defence is very expensive. So it is not something that India will enter into lightly," US assistant secretary of state for arms control, Stephen Rademaker, had told reporters on a visit to New Delhi.
India and the United States last week signed a groundbreaking 10-year plan for military cooperation during a visit to Washington by Mukherjee.
India, a Cold War ally of the Soviet Union, has recently moved closer to the United States.
India pursuing manipulation of ionosphere to fry electronics of incoming warheads
India’s Missile experts realized very well that Ballistic missiles are useless since most countries can manipulate the ionosphere to destroy the missile.........focused on frying all the electronics of any incoming ballistic missile that leave the earth’s atmosphere and then reenter the same on the other side of the world.........use electromagnetic waves, laser and low frequency arrays to create billions of watts on of energy in the ionosphere to fry all the electronics of an incoming missile.
India's Phalcon system to “Neutralize” Pakistani Missiles
Israel’s Phalcon system, previously sold to India, is capable of “neutralizing” Pakistan’s Shaheen II ballisic missile, according to a news report, which came just after Pakistan’s test of the Shaheen II on March 16.
US mum on THAAD
There was no word on whether the Israeli-American Arrow THAAD missile defense system, which India has previously sought, would also be approved, though Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee did express India's position that all technology restrictions should be dropped.
All that the US said on the request for the THAAD
We are willing to talk to India about missile defence. Missile defence is very expensive. So, it is not something that India will enter into lightly," visiting US assistant secretary of state for arms control, Stephen Rademaker, told reporters.
BTW : All these developments have alredy been covered in my other thread :
US offers Patriot(PAC-3) missiles to India Go check it out right away.
[edit on 14-7-2005 by Stealth Spy]
Originally posted by ch1466
Ah yes, the Indians, known the world over for nationalism as an excuse for /cheapness/. A real first in the arms industry, but will it be catching?
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Well ignoring urmomma.. not literally ofcourse!!
Maybe India sees itself pushing into ASEAN and maybe those ASEAN states welcome it, hoping to stave of the great dragon.
Maybe India perceives china as a states with motives/policies/intentions unknown and believe me that is more scary than knowing a state's agenda may they be friendly or hostile.
The Akash is irrelevant here.It is an attempt to achieve technological independance sometime in the future. Whil I may agree with your assessment of the missile w.r.t. the S-300 and/or the patriot; the point is that India strives/needs to be self sufficient in every aspect possible and the areas which do not allow this self sufficiency need to be sourced from more than one (auxilliary) dependable sources.
I do not feel that the Akash is superior to the Arrow2/S-300/Patriot..
What I do feel is: that India feels that is has sufficient time to investigate the technologies of ABM, while the S-300/Arrow2 are just a holler away.
The Patriot and well every other piece of american hardware have more than one reason for not being considered as a reliable source of tech/equipment.
When was Kashmir semi-autonomised?? It was a NORMAL state just like any other in India until some foreign country hadn't made its eternal goal to "liberate" it just because they suffer from some lingering complex and hope for revenge (loss of Bangladesh/East Pakistan).
Kashmir was(British Colonial),is (legally) and always will be a part of India.
Its upto Pakistan(more specifically the Pak Army) to give up this rancid infatuation with Kashmir.
India is not emotionally unstable vis-a-vis Kashmir. Its when you see foreign terrorists blow up institutions of govt., kill civilians all under the pretext of Jehad/liberation etc. etc., that your blood boils. 9/11
You realise that your neighbour falsely claims to close terror camps while it actually supports such militants.A time will come when you need take out those camps yourself.
A time will come when you need to respond to things like this:
"The parading of an Indian Army Colonel on a stick(like a poached tiger)who had gone across the border(Bangladesh) for a WHITE FLAG meeting"
by leveling a base with a few Jags/MiG-27s and or/missiles.
That is one thing I respect Israel for..
EDIT: W.r.t. nuclear weapons release India has a no first use policy and hence we need a credible land/air/sea second strike capability.
[edit on 5-3-2006 by Daedalus3]
[edit on 5-3-2006 by Daedalus3]
Originally posted by urmomma158
so ur saying American tech is faulty well uor air defenses are far better than your so called akash aie defense ystem ie more range,better rader better missiles etc the patriot ha sp rpoven itself in tests and i the indian are stupid for rejecting the offers of other countries for a akash 1 either they're too cheap or have an asad exucse for developing it besides can u read the rajendra is a copy of the S 300 radar and its based on an SA 6
The Research Centre Imarat (RCI) in Hyderabad, a premier defense laboratory that produces the Agni and Prithvi missile systems and is under the administrative control of DRDO, has been developing a system since early 2003 that would have a range of 100 kilometers.
A DRDO scientist said the previous National Democratic Alliance government was so impressed with the RCI proposal that $444.4 million was allotted in June 2003 to complete the indigenous air defense system by 2008.
Vijay Kumar Saraswat, RCI director, said Feb 10 that the system RCI is working on will be superior to the Patriot-2 and Russia’s S-300 PMU, and will be ready to enter service by 2008. Saraswat claimed the system will have a mobile launcher carrying three surface-to-air, solid-fuel missiles, equipped with directional warheads.
He said the unnamed system will begin flight trials in mid-2006. RCI will carry out about 10 flights before deploying it with the Indian defense forces.
The DRDO scientist said the indigenous air defense system will have a mission control system that will conduct target acquisition, classification and track estimation, among other functions.
He said another major element is the active phased-array radar system purchased from Israel. Called Sword Fish, the system was purchased in early 2004 for $50 million and is undergoing trials at Hasan in Karnataka state.
Once the air defense system is operational, the DRDO scientist said, RCI will integrate it with other defense systems via satellite links and a secure digital data link that will enable it to track and transmit data up to a range of 1,000 kilometers. •
French defence major, Thales has offered an across the board technology transfer to India in state-of-art radar knowhow to help New Delhi move speedily towards bridging the gaps in its air space coverage, specially in detecting low flying intrusions.
NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 6: In an indisputable sign that Indo-Israeli defence ties have matured, the governments of both countries have signed their first-ever joint weapons development contract to design and produce the Barak-II next-generation air defence missiles.
The Barak-II will be jointly developed by the Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI), the Barak programme’s secondary integrator Rafael and by the Hyderabad-based Defence Research & Development Laboratories (DRDL), with the two countries splitting the approximately $330 million kick-start investment.
DRDO sources told Express, ‘‘It will be based on the original Barak, but we will work together for longer range, a more refined seeker, a long-range target-tracking system, better downlinking capabilities and possibly a new propulsion system and payload capacity.’’ In a phased manner, the Barak-I and the Barak-II missiles will replace the ageing Russian OSA-M and Volna RZ-31 missiles. Sources pointed to the inherent advantage of the Barak family’s digital systems over the analog computers that guide the Russian missiles.
The new variant, to be developed over three years, will be built for a targeting range of at least 50 km.