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Originally posted by Nygdan
Sounds like a marriage ceremony almost. I have to wonder which came first even, since the first bolded section is really similar to the words used, and even the intent is the same, to stay together until death, and its interesting that it ends with a kiss, tho this might've been a more common practice in the past anyway.
The whole thing rather makes sense as a type of marriage ceremony, invoking god to keep it toghether, and the rest of the ceremony notes that you have nothing that is solely yours, and your partner (here the groups of templars) have nothing that is soley theirs, but rather everything is shared.
Of course, a lot of it also is probably just a matter of fact, military service is a duty, marriage has duties, and even in the modern era these things could be said to be similar. And of course nuns are known as 'brides of christ', etc etc, and the Templars were a monkish order too. So perhaps its not too surprising.
Originally posted by senrak
once again, a serious thread has been turned upside down by ridiculous statements and incoherent rambling.
Doesn't sound like the glamor that Hollywood gives to Knights, does it?
Once the resources were available, protection of the pilgrim routes developed quite naturally into a much larger military role for the Templars. In the course of the twelfth century, the order was able to take control of a number of major castles in Jerusalem, Tripoli, and Antioch, encompassing the entire length of the Latin settlements from Baghras in the north to Gaza in the south, while its knights and sergeants were present in all the important military campaigns[...] About half-way between Jerusalem and Jericho stood Adummim, 'the Red Cistern', a spacious rectangular enclosure with a tower and cistern, large enough to accommodate both pilgrims and a garrison, while another six and a half kilometres to the east, the Templars had built a tower at Bait Jubr at-Taktari which, as it was much smaller than the Red Cistern enclosure, was presumably for the Templars' own knights, ten of whom were permanently assigned to patrol the road. At the end of the route, the Templars had refortified the enclosure at the foot of the Mount Quarantene, at a place known as 'the Gardens of Abraham', where many pilgrims were able to spend the night before descending to the Jordan. Theoderich describes this place as a well- watered refuge, protected on three sides, with the fourth patrolled by the knights of the two orders. At the river itself the Templars had another tower, intended to guard against sudden raids at the place of baptism
Like the Hospitallers, the economic strength of the Temple was founded upon its houses in the west. According to the Rule, the order's western provinces were divided into seven as early as the 1160s, encompassing France, England, Poitou, Aragon, Portugal, Apulia, and Hungary (which probably meant Dalmatia).44 By the thirteenth century Provence and northern and central Italy had become key elements in the system. Inevitably, the primary purpose of these western preceptories was to supply the almost limitless demands of warfare against the Muslims, but they too contributed to an infrastructure which enabled pilgrims and crusaders to overcome the formidable problems of travel to the east. While medical care remained largely in the hands of the Hospitallers or other specialist institutions, the Templars were able to offer finance, shipping, and shelter for pilgrims. Although the many other needs of the order as well as the uneven pattern of donations made it impossible to create a structure entirely geared towards pilgrims (even had the Templars so desired), the order nevertheless succeeded in planting preceptories along the important pilgrimage routes.
Another institutional model of sorts was provided by the military orders. At their best, as La Regle du Temple sought to ensure, these were strictly regulated and rigorously trained permanent forces;' and, as John Walker considers in chapter 3, they were (in theory at least) properly resourced permanent forces, fuelled by aristocratic manpower and revenue-generating preceptories in western Europe.
Originally posted by Nygdan
I think, any successul militant organization in those days is going to be powerful, and especially in those days power and wealth were intertwined.
Originally posted by Centiment
I am sure they were walking the aisles calling the lepers: "ignorant!".
]Originally posted by Senrak
the Knights Templar did not answer to ANY Noble, Lord, Prince, King, etc. They answered DIRECTLY to their Grand Master and he in turned answered ONLY to the Pope in Rome