The Real "Tent City" run by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, page 3
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reply posted on 10-7-2008 @ 07:33 AM by Anonymous ATS
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I live in Maricopa county and have been to the tent city jail. Unfortunately, harsh jails dont stop crime. In fact, our crime rate has continuously continued to increase since his first election. It does help to harden criminals and make them more efficient, clever, manipulative and sneaky. And remember... they almost always get released back into the population. Only this time, they've made new friends and contacts all over the city and picked up on a few new talents, too. I guess if you want jails to work as a personal channel to vent your frustrations out, go for it. But if you're actually concerned about the crime rate, we need a new plan. And don't ever screw up and get sent there... it's rotten. You may think you'd never do anything to get sent, but it's not hard out here in Maricopa. This is a lock 'em up state. There was a man I know who got arrested for a DUI and got sent out there. Here's his story... his car was parked in the driveway while he was cleaning it out, drinking a beer on his day off. He has the car on and was listening to music, not thinking much of it, when he set his beer on top of the car. A cop pulls up and arrests him for a DUI. Why? Even though he had not driven at all nor was he going to, the keys were in the ignition (so he could hear the radio). He goes to tents for 2 months. So remember... not everyone in jail is some crazed career criminal. In fact, a good portion of the ones I've met during my stay were decent, hard working people. I'm now in college for respiratory therapy, in case anyone thought I was some professional burglar or gang banger. Although I did learn how to make hooch, cut hair with a disposable razor (and other things), cook in food in the sink, and use all manner of inanimate objects for tools (and if I ever wanted, lethal weapons) Don't let hatred and fear cloud your judgement when dealing with these kinds of issues. We need a system that will make life better for everyone, and that requires rehabilitation over sadistic punishment. I'd rather know that when the person came back on the streets, they werent more dangerous than they were before they went in, rather than rub my hands together in sadistic satisfaction that they're "gettin' theirs". Screw revenge, friends... lets make a better place to live.


reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 12:08 AM by Brotherman
I would have to tend to agree that this kind of treatment is counter intuitive to what American society is supposed to reflect. Perhaps it isn't always a case of the problems with criminals but a problem with society and problems with our laws that allow for Joe and his vengeful treatment of other citizens (and illegal "visitors") to endure this. Perhaps since there is a large problem with illegal immigration in Arizona resources on law enforcement and money are tight so why not take the sheriff of nottingham approach and make everything slightly questionable a jailable offense, why not? If society in general were better and in some ways acted like the Marine Corps in a sense (and possible other branches of service IDK was only a Marine) and implemented the idea of self governence and the idea of "policing your own" was accepted as a norm calling the cops can become a thing of the past because maybe individuals and communities can deal with what they deem as "against the norm" or illegal how they see fit as long as of course if they dont enact cruel and unusual tactics such as torture and pink underwear flogging may have uses but thats a different thread. If the majority of the population endulges in substance abuse of one variety or another legal or not why keep the illegal stuff illegal when people will still do it regardless of its legal status or is it conspiritorial in nature to keep that against the law so they can make a quick buck by exploiting the already weak and/ evil substance abusers? The list can probably continue with hypocritical laws, rhetoric, Et Cetera but perhaps it is not crime/ criminals that needs corrections and it is society itself


reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 12:15 AM by Gakus
Originally posted by elevatedone
I received this in an email, so there's no link I can provide. I watched a program on TV about Joe before... I'll see if I can find anything on that.

To those of you not familiar with Joe Arpaio, he is the Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff. He keeps getting elected over and over.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail":

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, and cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied, “so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.”

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails.

When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 = years. "It's inhumane."



Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"


Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes -- not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

Sheriff Joe was just reelected Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.


I say way to go there Joe, way to go... Maybe some other Sheriffs could learn something from this guy.



[edit on 14-7-2005 by elevatedone]


You know what's really funny?

Country's which treat their criminals with respect usually have the lowest crime rates, yet America continues to think, treating them like crap will somehow reform them.

It doesn't work that way, anyone who attempts to argue otherwise is indeed a sheltered tool, with little to absolutely no understanding of the real World.

I suggest you go outside more, does people treating you like crap for something you did wrong make you do it correctly the next time, or does it make you behave more disrespectful and hostile?

Exactly.

Learn to use logic.

So is the purpose of our jails to reform or to simply punish?

If we focused more on reforming perhaps we wouldn't have so many repeat offenders.

Just a thought.
edit on 23-11-2010 by Gakus because: (no reason given)
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