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U.S Military Outlines Gitmo Prisoner Abuse (moved from ATSNN)

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posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 01:53 PM
A report by the U.S Military has found that evidence of prisoner abuse at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility necessitated disciplinary action. The abuse cited in the report included: forced wearing of a bra, forced dancing with a male interrogator, forced to act like a dog, had faked menstrual blood smeared on face, chained to the floor in a fetal position, telling of detainee that they would kill his family. The report recommended that Army Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller be reprimanded for his failure to prevent the abuse but Gen. Bantz J. Craddock, commander of U.S. Southern Command, has overturned their recommendation.
WASHINGTON - Interrogators subjected a suspected terrorist to abusive and degrading treatment, forcing him to wear a bra, dance with another man and behave like a dog, military investigators reported Wednesday, saying that justified their call for disciplinary action.

They said they recommended that Army Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller be reprimanded for failing to oversee his interrogation of the 9-11 suspect at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

But Gen. Bantz J. Craddock, commander of U.S. Southern Command, said he overruled their recommendation and will instead refer the matter to the Army's inspector general. Craddock concluded that Miller did not violate any U.S. laws or policies, according to officials familiar with the report.

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Its no longer a case of whether abuse occured/occurs at Guantanamo Bay, its a case of who is called to justice for allowing it.

The allegations of abuse that sparked the report came from FBI agents working at the base. Their testimony should of been listend to by Miller.

FBI agents raised their concerns about the techniques to Miller, and he should have monitored them, but he apparently took no action, Schmidt said.

Miller is guilty of dereliction of duty for allowing his subordinates to break military law, American law, American policy and the Geneva conventions.

Every day this abuse goes unpunished the World looks at the United States in an increasingly dimmer view.

posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 03:31 PM
Im voting yes to this against my will. As far as Im concerned they can do what they please to these people. The fact that they are still alive and we used "fake" menstral blood speaks volumes as to why we are the best nation. These people in there probably never had it that good.

posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 03:45 PM
suspected terrorist

Once the "suspect" part is removed, they can put the terrorists before a fireing squad for all I care.

But to have the "suspect" part removed, there would need to be a trial, with actual evidence, which most of these people haven't had even after 3 years of being locked up.

As long as the "suspect" part stands, these are human beings PERIOD.

Treat others like you wish to be treated.

I really would love to see you and each and everyone else of these appologists for the ways things are handled at Gitmo and other detention camps around the world, to be detained without a charge or trial spliff and see how you react to this kind of treatment.

The moment you think its OK to violate, torture or kill anyone without them having a correct trial under international or local law, your no better then the terrorists. Infact your worse.

Some would say this is giving terrorists a taste of their own medicine by instilling fear onto them about getting captured.

I say its breading more prospect terrorists because you demonize yourself even more. You help the extremists convince more moderate people that YOU are the evil one and YOU are the one that needs to be killed at all costs, because YOU don't even follow your own laws and YOU don't value human life as much as you want to make the world think.

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:01 PM
I agree; give these people, some of whom have been in custody for two years, a trial or cut them loose. Nazi style concentration camps for "suspected" terrorists is unacceptable to me, at least.

But.. I voted yes for the story, because I believe it's an important one.


posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:09 PM
I stongley suggest you reread your history books. I think the concentration camps were just a TAD worse than what we have. Screw em. Keep em there.

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:20 PM
spliffer says:

Im voting yes to this against my will.

Exactly who made you?

As far as Im concerned they can do what they please to these people.

Unfortunately it appears we are being represented in front of the world by several low brows that think just like you - who have concerns that don't go quite far enough. At this point, it seems we're comparable to a bunny farm in how fast we're producing people who hate us.

The fact that they are still alive and we used "fake" menstral blood speaks volumes as to why we are the best nation.

The best nation at what? Degrading and humiliating others by utilizing their religious beliefs in intentional terror attacks on them?

These people in there probably never had it that good.

Yeah - and the slaves never had it as good as they had it in Mobile in 1860, right? Or the Cherokees never had it so good as they did when they got to put their X on the Dawes roll, right?

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 09:29 PM
Tourture at a US Base?
Let us see what is considered tourture.
How many died? in GITMO, Zero. Socialist like Stalin Hitler, and Pot Pol millions.
Broken Bones, None, Electroshock, None.
No bamboo under the fingernails, nothing like that at all.
Still, These are terrorist, captured under arms shooting at US military personel.
They are not military personel. The Geneva convention does not apply, they are not a part of any army of any country, weather that country has signed the Geneva Convention or not.
If I were in any country at war, in civilian clothes, planting bombs, shooting at that country's soldiers. If I were captured I would be shot forthwith as a spy and sabatour. These detalnees at GITMO deserve nothing else. The USA gratuitously did not kill them, but took them to GITMO to sort the wolves from the sheep. There may be some innocentes caught up with the others.
The ones that we have kept, If released they again would take up arms, and would do their best to kill Americans, British, Germans, French, Italians, Japaneese, Turks, Iraqi, and Afgans.
Treatment, they get three religously correct and wholesom nutritious meals a day. compare that to what US toops got in NVN. Compare it to how captured American and colition troops are treated in Iraq!
How many detainees in GITMO have been beheaded!
No forced labor, They have religious liberty immans to confer with, running water, sinks so that they can wash their feet before prayer. "They are not in some slave shanty, they do not have to grow their own food. They are not put in sweat boxes left to roast in the sun. aka Japan, Vietnam." They are given Korans. "Try asking for a Bible in a Saudi Jail."
"They are treated better than they deserve."
They were not just picked up off the street,They were in combat against US Soldiers. They were not in the Armed Forces of any country. They are Al-queda, They are terrorist, They are there in GITMO for a reason.
Yes we questioned them and got information about other terrorist. Methods were not any rougher than most police would use in the majority of countries in the world. Far milder than in any Islamic country!
Find out what gets to them psycologicaly and use it to find out all that they know. If it saves the life on one person in Iraq, then go for it.
Is it a resort? No it is not supposed to be. "I serving in the US Army have lived in quarters much worse than what the detaines in GITMO have." Go to any US military base, and go to the stockade. American Soldiers who have broken military law are confined there, wearing distinctive clothes, no physical abuse, but not respected. its a jail. They perform demeaning task, make work. It is part of the punishment.
In the case of GITMO to check and cross check intelligence information.

[edit on 15-7-2005 by Arron Burr]

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 09:40 PM
This is just damage control......from where I stand, there are people who will do whatever it takes and whatever they can to get the job done..... Far worse things have happened and I don't doubt for a second that it will continue to be as it was.......

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