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The left doesn't support the troops and should admit it!!

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posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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The left doesn't support the troops and should admit it



The left doesn't support the troops and should admit it

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Posted: July 12, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


Liberals, Democrats and others on the Left frequently state that they "support the troops." For most of them, whether they realize it or not, this is not true. They feel they must say this because the majority of Americans would find any other position unacceptable. Indeed, for most liberals, the thought that they really do not support the troops is unacceptable even to them.

Lest this argument be dismissed as an attack on leftist Americans' patriotism, let it be clear that leftists' patriotism is not the issue here. Their honesty is.





The Left (Tulipwalkers) are not honest and heres why



I agree with this column and the author puts it better than I ever could, I always had a problem with "war is not the answer" as it has been so often the ONLY answer.........


Think about this when you say you support the troops but not the mission....



Then think of your brethren in London.....

As a comparison to an 80's movie...

Instead of "shall we play a game?", how about "Shall we capitulate?"




posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 01:35 PM
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You really thought that was a well written piece ed? Really?!

Shallow slanted and nonsensical rubbish is more like it.

The only 'dishonesty' obvious in the piece was the author's claim not to be questioning 'the left's' patriotism.

(......and his German WW2 example was as plain wrong as it gets.

Plenty of WW2 German citizens felt the ruling nazi regime was monsterous and had gotten their country into a stupid ruinous war and even so did actually support the troops - who were afterall their sons, brothers, fathers etc suffering at the 'front'.
How the hell do you not 'support' your own families?

.......and where do idiots like these superficial creeps get off telling us we do not support our relatives and friends just because we don't/won't go along with the current government's politics on this?!)



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 02:27 PM
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SminkeyPinkey, aren't you a citizen of a country other than the U.S.?
This editorial is in refence to Americans.
Remember, also, that editorials will certainly be biased and slanted. Pointing the obvious out is like folks in my parts not being able to stop themselves from saying, "Boy, it sure is hot, huh?"


Edited for spelling.

[edit on 12-7-2005 by Thomas Crowne]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
SminkeyPinkey, aren't you a citizen of a country other than the U.S.?
This editorial is in refence to Americans.


- Technically you're right.

But seeing as we have a significant British contribution of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan (and a 'left' in the UK against the war) I think the principles carry across and it fair to comment upon the article......don't you?


Remember, also, that editorials will certainly be biased and slanted.


- Well of course, I was merely responding to ed's comments that he thought it so well put.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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Ah, I understand your response to the editorial, now.

As far as us both being at war with the terrorists, there is still a lot of difference between your country and mine, to include definitions of words. You certainly have the right to express your opinions, as well as does Ed or anyone else, but I believe that it is prudent to stay out of other folks' affairs. I guess you could say it is my way of doing what the government might think about doing more!



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 07:25 PM
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I do not back down from my statement at all.

Point Blank is when the battle is 'active' any of the negative support for the mission puts the troops in more harms way. This is fact because it shows decent among the population and therefore gives the enemy hope, just as this same tactic was used by the tulipwalkers in Vietnam.

If you are against the war, then fine, its your right. But the left, including the great majority of the leftist press, shows nothing but bad news, which therefore breeds more resentment at home and accomplishes their greater goal of withdrawal and therefore defeat. When ones contributes to this process during wartime, it could be considered borderline treason. But I feel that is true strong a word in this case, I just attribute it to plain ignorance.

If you think you are supporting the troops by pointing out everything that is bad about the war and just dwell on the negatives, you are deceiving yourself only.

Supporting the troops would be telling them to take names kick ass and get the hell home as soon as possible, which is not what is being doe by the tulipwalkers at all...


Its fact and deep down you know it, but its cool to be antiwar on a liberal board, makes the chicks think your cool or something. But the fact remains, the attitude COSTS lives, both Brit & American, not to mention Iraqis.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 07:41 PM
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Ed which side was responsible for cutting veteran medical benefits from the national budget?

I'll give you a hint (it wasn't the left).

I'm not going to get into a "I support the troops more than you" war but I certainly don't view them as cannon-fodder like our current (right wing) administration does.

You may want to watch C-SPAN once in a while and see who is really on the troop's side.

Remember, actions are stronger than words!

[edit on 7/12/2005 by Lecky]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Lecky
Ed which side was responsible for cutting veteran medical benefits from the national budget?

I'll give you a hint (it wasn't the left).

I'm not going to get into a "I support the troops more than you" war but I certainly don't view them as cannon-fodder like our current (right wing) administration does.

You may want to watch C-SPAN once in a while and see who is really on the troop's side.

Remember, actions are stronger than words!

[edit on 7/12/2005 by Lecky]



Uh Actually I do watch CSpan once in while and the likes of Rangel speak for themselves.


As for Veterans benefits, well as a matter of fact, this last week I saw what those were when I saw my Step-father a Korean war vet and his benefits. Maybe you should consider dropping some of the freebies in our socialist society and passing them to those that actually earned them...


Tulipwalkers always do this, ask the troops about the pay raises they have recieved under this CIC?

Your argument holds no water..



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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How about I don't like seeing our troops die for a war based on a fallacy. I don't like seeing innocent Iraqi civilians die for that same fact as well. I don't like seeing our troops being sent out without proper armor and I don't like our troops being sent out on an ill-planned, horribly-advised war.

Above all, I really despise idiots who search for ways to blame this mess on the left, although I'm not really surprised. I'm sure you blame the left for our loss in Vietnam don't you? Gotta place the blame somewhere right?

Whatever makes you feel better Ed. All this thread does is further divide the two sides even more, and I'm not helping so this will be the last time I comment on this joke of a thread. Have fun bashing liberals while our men and women are out there dying!

Psst, it's not just the left who disagree with this war.


[edit on 7/12/2005 by Lecky]



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 08:40 PM
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I knew I would find the flaw in the article if I read it.



In order to understand this, we need to first have a working definition of the term "support the troops." Presumably it means that one supports what the troops are doing and rooting for them to succeed. What else could "support the troops" mean? If you say, for example, that you support the Yankees or the Dodgers, we assume it means you want them to win.


This is not what MY definition of support for my troops is. When I say I support our troops, I mean that I believe each and every one of them is doing what they have been ordered to do. I hope each and every one of them comes out of every battle they are in completly unscathed. My heart goes out to the sons and daughters, husbands and wives who have loved ones serving in the military. If I could, I would get every faimly together every weekend with the troops. These are my fellow American brothers and sisters and I want them all to be safe in what they do. That is MY definition of 'I support my troops!'



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 08:46 PM
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Well I know how you feel and what you mean by that, but can you at least acknowledge that the way the press and most of the antiwar crowd present the war causes unneeded risks to those very troops you say that you support?

By saying that the war is unjustified and therefore we should leave only encourages the enemy and you know this.


As for Vietnam, no it was not the left - it was the white house that chose to tie the hands of the troops in the field by micromanagement and that would include both parties.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Well I know how you feel and what you mean by that, but can you at least acknowledge that the way the press and most of the antiwar crowd present the war causes unneeded risks to those very troops you say that you support?


Oh dont get me started on the press. They have done more to demoraliz our country then Wolfowitz. And yes, there are some anti-war nutters who give the rest of us peacnik Libs a bad name. But that goes both ways.



By saying that the war is unjustified and therefore we should leave only encourages the enemy and you know this.


No, screaming it at the top of every headline and news broadcast does that. People are always going to display their opinions. Thats just human nature. Also, I dont hear to many screams of us just up and leaving now. Even I know we are in to deep to back out now. But that doesnt mean that an exit strategy shouldnt be drawn up.



As for Vietnam, no it was not the left - it was the white house that chose to tie the hands of the troops in the field by micromanagement and that would include both parties.


Yep, you got that right.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 10:13 PM
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Wow Kidfinger, I gain more and more respect for you as time passes.

We might not agree on the reasons for the war and whether they are justified, but I do sincerely believe that you are not anti-troop, and therefore anti-US. I am afraid I can not say this about most of the left....

I would not count you as a Tulipwalker if that means anything



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 11:03 PM
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I've typed it at least a couple of times on this site that I do not support the troops. I find it hypocritical to do so when I cannot in the least support their actions.

As far as capitulating to the enemy goes. This appears to be exactly what the current U.S. administration is doing with the insurgency in Iraq given the reports that have come out in recent weeks. A leftie didn't even need to take office to bend over backwards for the terrorists to win. Righties are doing that even now.



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 11:17 PM
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At least your honest.....



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 12:41 AM
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Edsinger, when was the last time you visited Walter Reed? Or the Veteran's Hospital?

How many of your own children would you be willing to send into THIS war?

Those brave kids over there belong in school not on the battlefield.

My father rests at Arlington and he has a lot of company.

During his last years working with the Inspector General's Group at The Pentagon
he learned the gruesome reality of why our brave kids are really sent into battle.

It's all about money, power, natural resources and srategic positioning
with billions and trillions of dollars at stake.

The Iraq war is nothing more than a hostile corporate takeover with guns.

Only our kids are dying and coming home crippled with battle scars they will carry for the rest of thier lives.
Mental trauma that will haunt them every moment they close their eyes.

I AM NOT A LEFT WING LIBERAL

I AM THE PARENT OF A DISABLED VET!

And Sir, I am doing my best to remain civil when I read your comments.




[edit on 13-7-2005 by FallenFromTheTree]



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 12:46 AM
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ed

If this war was being fought under a Democratic administration, would you feel the same way?

Be honest!!!



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger


I would not count you as a Tulipwalker if that means anything


As long as you dont count me as republican


The thing is, both sides of this division has waccos an the extreme side and they are the ones causeing most of the political strife among the rest of us. The media sees this as a prime conflict in America. And what sells news better in America than conflict?.......Nothing.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 08:06 AM
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Well let me start by saying that #1 - I will be burying my father at a National Cemetery soon. A Korean war vet that was severely wounded. I saw what the VA did in his later years and was not at all pleased. The paperwork was daunting for a 79 year old man.....It actually made no difference in his case as he didn't last that long.

But - They will be providing some income to my mother as survivor benefits. The VA is not perfect, if we could get rid of the waste and scandal the Budget would be much better spent.


Would I support this war if a Democrat was president? Yes, even if Gore or Kerry would have started it. I understand what it is about. Its not about big corporate dollars as you say, sure it plays a part but the stakes are much higher...

As for keeping the comments in, let me explain something to you. We did nothing in 1993, the Cole, OKC, TWA 800, the African Embassies...we did nothing except bomb some tents.

The peace nick path obviously doesn't work....they would never want to fight. Well I will fight and yes my son will probably serve as I did, although I can not make him.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Well let me start by saying that #1 - I will be burying my father at a National Cemetery soon.


I offer my condolences for your father Ed. Im sure he was a good man and a respected war Vet.



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