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Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Thank you for the great advice.
I have volunteered at my son's school and I do know his friends, other parents, and the Pastor of the church. I still have an uneasy feeling about the program. My ex has been taking my son to the event the past three evenings, and everything is cool so far. Tomorrow is family night and I plan to attend. It is what the program is preparing the kids for that concerns me. Not so much the surface content, but the future intent.
Thanks again for responding, saint4God.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
saint4God,
You are truly wonderful and inspiring. I shall fear not.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
"For it is in being uncertain and not in control that we find true faith, in knowing the limits of mind and body that we find wholeness of spirit" - from the Healing Prayer
and also with you.
Originally posted by Rasputin13
If you don't want your son to be a part of this, then why don't you put your foot down and say no? Get your son to join Indian Guides. It's kinda like boy scouts except its a lot cooler, and it's just boys and their dads all the time. So you're never sending your kid away with some strange man or anything. I was in it for several years with my father and had a great time. There's really no religion or cult-like stuff involved. It's just fathers and sons, and it builds a very strong bond between them.
Good luck battling with your ex! lol
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by Rasputin13
If you don't want your son to be a part of this, then why don't you put your foot down and say no? Get your son to join Indian Guides. It's kinda like boy scouts except its a lot cooler, and it's just boys and their dads all the time. So you're never sending your kid away with some strange man or anything. I was in it for several years with my father and had a great time. There's really no religion or cult-like stuff involved. It's just fathers and sons, and it builds a very strong bond between them.
Good luck battling with your ex! lol
Hey that's a great idea, instead of learning more about it, yank him away and join some secular organization like the boy scouts (who we all know are free of any inappropriate adult-child relationships) . I was in boy scouts for 2 years, and only did 2 activities that encouraged the involvement of my father. Both were weekend camping trip, as opposed to the week long trips that had 'counsellors'. Did I mention I got lost for a day and had to find my own way back? I seem to be doing a lot of solo door-to-door sales as well to fund these outtings. I hope that practice has changed. You say Indian Guides is different and father and son all the time, I certainly hope so and would not compare it to boy scouts in any way in that case.
Oh, and careful putting your foot down on a child's interest (especially when it's spiritually enriching and fun) because a lot of therapy starts with "When I was a child, my father never let me..." usually followed with "I was never trusted..." "He wouldn't listen or try to see things my way..." No kid I've ever met complained that their parents asked too many questions or was too interested in what they were doing.
[edit on 15-7-2005 by saint4God]
Originally posted by Rasputin13
I shouldn't have compared Indian Guides to Boy Scouts. The only likeness between the two is that they're both groups for boys, and they take part in activities. Indian Guides is 100% father and son activities. That's the whole idea behind it. Their sister group, Indian Princesses, is a Father-Daughter group that is very similar. I was in Boy Scouts for a few weeks, and except for our paintball trip, it sucked! Indian Guides was one of the best things I've ever been a part of. I will certainly join with my sons if it's still around then.
Originally posted by Rasputin13
As for Dad pulling his son out of this religous thing... If he has legitimate concerns about it, and doesn't like the idea of his son going on a road trip with adult men whom he doesn't even know, then he has every right to object to it. I really doubt too many people have ever complained in therapy that their parents didn't let them take part in their church group! It's more like "Dad didn't let me play football. Dad didn't let me out past 10. Dad took my dime bag." etc, etc. While children should have some say in the things they take part in, their parents are ultimately responsible. There are TONS of other groups that his kids can join that are extremely fun, educational and enlightening. And they don't involve shipping them off with a bunch of strange men!
'Rambling Roadtrip', a virtual tour that begins at their destination, Washington, D.C., and traces back across the country to their church.
Not so much the surface content, but the future intent.
On the surface it seems innocuous enough, but underneath the 'Rambling Roadtrip' seems to be preparing them to take a real roadtrip, conditioning them to go along quietly on a possible relocation expedition.
I know its paranoid, but my son is involved, and I have strong misgivings about him being conditioned to make the 'right turns' on the 'obey highway' as they put it. It is all integrated into a program called Vacation Bible Study, or VBS. I'm sorry, but I don't like it.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
My concern is this: On the surface it seems innocuous enough, but underneath the 'Rambling Roadtrip' seems to be preparing them to take a real roadtrip, conditioning them to go along quietly on a possible relocation expedition.
Originally posted by Vegemite
I was in cubscouts too when I was 5. Man was that lame, even by my standards. It was like extended day care but worse. I had to wear this lame uniorm and then My dad would drive me to the pride house then drive away. Then when I was in there we all had to introduce ourselves. Then one of these hippie ladies with no bra and armpit hair would arrive and we'd do crafts which were LAME. I thought I would be exploring and canoeing and shooting arrows, but all we'd do is put peanut butter on pine cones and sell candy bars. Needless to say I quit that