Originally posted by TPL
but it just seems so stupid of them to carry I.D.

Why? By doing so they are able to cause even more panic.

clearmind
they can't stop it from happening but they, for some reason, can id the bomber soon AFTER the blasts

Lets think about this for a moment. You can't stop a couple of guys from making and going off on a suicide mission. But you can find out who they are once you have the parts. Why is this rather simple and obvious fact so paranoia inspiring? The militants want to let the public know that they did it. They announced that they did it, they don't care if one cell gets found out after its mission was accomplished. In doing this, with british-by-birth muslims, the entire muslim community is stigmatized, and futher pushed into marginalism, and become more likely to aid in future attacks, in england or iraq or anywhere.

Damn fine police work considering there were literally hundreds of videos to pore through.

Nice post Nygdan--very thought provoking.

Infinite that is my point.
There has to have been more involved. The thing is that the news is trying to pass it off as these guys were the only ones.
Keep calm... don't mind about the guy behind the curtain

Originally posted by kenshiro2012
Infinite that is my point.
There has to have been more involved. The thing is that the news is trying to pass it off as these guys were the only ones.
Keep calm... don't mind about the guy behind the curtain

The media aren't saying its just them. BBC 24 has had numerous terrorist experts who have been talking about cells in this country. BBC believes a cell is involved and so does MI5

its important to say that the majority of the met police, surrounding forces, and cleary the west yorkshire police have all been working to find leads etc. 2,500 cctv tapes is a lot but if u have that many people on the job the workload does decrease.

Originally posted by Astronomer68
Damn fine police work considering there were literally hundreds of videos to pore through.

Nice post Nygdan--very thought provoking.

Yes Yes Yes...how convenient that the law find what there looking for on tape as you quote "literally hundreds of videos to pore through"...yet another COINCIDENCE...just like MOHAMMED ATTAS passport surviving a 2000 degree inferno nearly intact!!!!!

Yes VERY VERY VERY thought provoking isnt it..

UK Police etc have very good systems for reviewing CCTV after 40 years of PIRA activity we've got a system that works - surprised it's taken this long to find them on CCTV.

They have pics of the 4 bastards at Luton & KC, presumably not for release yet but no doubt we'll see them soon

Originally posted by andy1972
Yes Yes Yes...how convenient that the law find what there looking for on tape as you quote "literally hundreds of videos to pore through"...yet another COINCIDENCE

How in the world is it 'immpossibly extraordinary' that all the cops and all the analysts that they have on teh case could find the perpetrators on the video? There's hundreds of vids that potentially had whoever did the deed on them, but that doesn't mean that they have to go thru them all. They obviously started working backwards from just before the attacks for the stations they occured at. THere's no reason to think that the perpetrators got on the trains and buses hours before hand, they might've, and thats why there's such a large volume of tapes to get thru, but in all probablility they get on just before the attacks, and they were on the first few sets of video that they looked at. To say its a 'near immpossible coincidence' that they found them days after they started looking is preposterous.

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Agin, the cctv tapes review begs a question.
What did these 4 people do to "identify themselves" as "acting suspiciously"
Last time I was on the underground, there were a number of hoodies etc that would / should have been identified by their antics. None were detained.
If the hoodies could get away without "acting suspiciously" what did these 4 guys do take their bombs hold them up to the cameras with signs that they were going to blow up the underground?

hmmm - they have the 4 suspects on cctv at kings cross and they 'know' 3 of them are dead because they found documents at the bomb sites and they 'think' the other one is under kings cross still. well if one bomber was on the bus and two at opposite ends of the tube line, what has stopped them from publishing the footage? what if the 4th person is still at large? surely they should show the footage and say this is the 4th person who may be dead but if you have seen him, ring this number..... (btw, that 999 in uk & not 911)

I don't see why it's such a BIG coincidence really.

Lets look at it logically, and stop looking for a conspiracy.

Theory...

Police find dna or id of bomber in bus from tooth, blood etc, run a criminal background check on the lot, wow wee, a muslim! Maybe we should check that out lads the detectives say to another.

Oh Gosh, he's reported missing, and his car isn't there either!

They would have needed to travel to Luton from Leeds in it, check all mayor stations and airports.

Sure enough, the car shows up!

About the 3 other suspects?

How about, your planning a big terrorist attack, which needs to be completed during the morning rush, so lets imagine that after making the bombs, and putting in all that work, they leave nothing to chance...

Ie. One of them orders tickets for the Luton station (where the car was found), so as to make it in time for rush hour, just incase the train is full, and they cannot travel to their objective.

How do you pre-book? ... With a card! And in some cases, the details of each ticket holder must be inputted.

Alternatively, they may all have had previous convictions, and 4 muslims, from the same area, not within commuting distance, in london who were killed in the bombings could also be a potential lead to follow up, i think it's common sense.

Thoughts Please.

[edit on 12-7-2005 by Snoopdopey]

I'm not 100% sure on this, but didn't I already read that these bombs were high tech explosives with sophisticated timing devices? If that's the case, than why would they stick around the bombs? Isn't that the purpose of the timer, to get the hell away from the bomb, live another day and bomb some more. I don't buy the suicide bomber story, sounds like a frame up or some profile they needed to make fit.

Snoopdopey

well said

also remember that someone has reported one of the bombers missing, so it means he has told someone he is going to London that day, so the attacks happens that person doesnt he from the bomber and calls in to report him missing.

What if the bloke has no previous hes NOT a criminal as is the case with the majority of them, he has no known terrorist connection becuase hes not on the MI5 watch list and was brought in from the continent to do it so here hes an unknown...the dna proves fruitless..buggars yer theory a bit doesnt it..

I didnt know theyd found DOCUMENTS awell...my my my 9/11 9/11 9/11

Apparently I'm the only one that caught this:

Security sources said the bus bomb suspect died in the blast but it is unclear if it was a suicide bombing.

How in the world would it be unclear if it's a suicide bombing if he died in the blast?

That's weird to me.

Originally posted by PistolPete
Apparently I'm the only one that caught this:

Security sources said the bus bomb suspect died in the blast but it is unclear if it was a suicide bombing.

How in the world would it be unclear if it's a suicide bombing if he died in the blast?

That's weird to me.

eerrr Pete,

If the bloke set the bomb of intentionaly wanting to kill himself in the process, then its a SUICIDE BOMBING, but on the other hand if the bomb went of prematurley or it short circuited killing him by accident then its not a suicide bombing its a BLOODY JOKE..but he results the same, he jam !!!

andy1972

Doesn't really mate, they have said they linked forensic evidence to him.

In order to link someone to forensic evidence they can either be

A) An existing criminal
B) Had some distinguising jewellery ( which the family could identify, since they reported him missing )
C) Had indeed his ID, i carry my driving licence around all the time, if it was the driver, would it not be sensible to carry it? incase he was pulled over? If he did not produce the licence the police could have became suspicious, and demanded a full search of the car.

It's all about covering bases, minimising risk.

One was reported missing by his family @ 10.00 am on 7/7 - Ironic!

Presumably any islamic names coming into the missing centre would have been flagged for investigation anyway.

Their presence at Luton & their car was reported by a member of the public - 4 asian guys with rucksacs. Fairly simple to track them via CCTV that morning after that.

They stayed with the bombs as you can't leave bags unattended on the Tube - we're too good for that. Tourists are often shock at being bollocked by commuters for wandering off from their bags.

[edit on 12/7/05 by CTID56092]